Post-Classic rules on engine swapping

[crazy man]

alredy hav a bike for the F1 class. I was wanting to race a TLR because I like them and other than F1 Idont have a class as my understanding is clubmans is a starter class... well it is down in the south im pretty sure.

you will be doing good to ride 2 bikes in f1 at the same time

[Drew]

Excuse me for having an opinion..

You're excused. Goodby.

But seriously, there cannot be a race class for every bike to be competitive in. There are just too many variables. If you wanna race the TLR, come to Aukland and race 'open twins', there's all sorts in that group, but you're gonna need to be Rossi to keep up with the 1198's and other exotica.

[slowpoke]

Probably unlikey to either, if every club made a class just because someone wants a a particular age cutoff we'd have about 50 classes with fuck all bikes and take a week to get through them all

A better idea would be to buy a bike that fits an exisiting class

But seriously, there cannot be a race class for every bike to be competitive in. There are just too many variables. If you wanna race the TLR, come to Aukland and race 'open twins', there's all sorts in that group, but you're gonna need to be Rossi to keep up with the 1198's and other exotica.

It's not about creating another class, it's about getting this old fangled class off the ground in the coming season. It just seems unnecessarily restrictive to say carb's only when the fastest carb'd bikes from around that 2000 era are way fasterer gooderer than FI bikes of the same era. What's fuel injected from before 2000 that would get anywhere near an R1 or FireBlade? What's got carb's after 2000 that will be competitive against 'em without starting Spend-War 3? What benefit/reasoning is behind the carb's only stipulation? I just don't geddit.....

There is no cost benefit to running carb's over FI: fit a pipe or ram-airbox to your carb'd bike and getting it jetted correctly won't be any cheaper than a Power Commander and that's assuming the carb's are in half decent condition to start with which is unlikely on bikes up to 22 years old.

Good on Vic Club for trying something different but I reckon the numbers would look more viable if they hadn't been unnecessarily restrictive. Time will tell I guess.

Hmmmm, didn't the very first YZR-M1 MotoGP bike have carb's? "Oh Mr Yamaha...can I talk to you for a second....?"

[eelracing]

It's not about creating another class, it's about getting this old fangled class off the ground in the coming season.

Good on Vic Club for trying something different but I reckon the numbers would look more viable if they hadn't been unnecessarily restrictive. Time will tell I guess.

That's all that is needed to be said.Just take your lights off and come racing ya big jessie.

Leave all the bullshit reg talk to people who just like to talk as opposed to doing it.

[Drew]

It's obvious that the carb'ed R1 is the bike to win the class on, but who cares. I'll still run the RF.

It is stipulated "Carbed", because the age restriction is "Post 1990". That allows anything, so someone who runs mid pack on his L2 gixxer thou can enter this class instead and be very unfairly advantaged.

[worm13]

It's obvious that the carb'ed R1 is the bike to win the class on, but who cares. I'll still run the RF.

It is stipulated "Carbed", because the age restriction is "Post 1990". That allows anything, so someone who runs mid pack on his L2 gixxer thou can enter this class instead and be very unfairly advantaged.

Bingo.. pre 89 the bike to have is a fzr1000. regardless of the class there is always gonna be a bike to be on.... some one try a zx9r with a muzzy 1000 kit in it... might be worth a crack or a cbr900 running a 954 kit,think out side the square,one of the joys of these classes

[steveyb]

Not to forget that the VMCC committee asked for submissions on the class to set it up some time ago.
So we all had our chance to make alterations to the set up.

I'd still smoke you all on my 250, if I could have been arsed suggesting that it was INCREDIBLY discriminatory to not allow GP bikes into the class, eh Skunky wunky!!!

But I guess every race would have to be wet.......

Get a 2-stroke up ya's all that's all I have to say about that ......

[crazy man]

Bingo.. pre 89 the bike to have is a fzr1000. regardless of the class there is always gonna be a bike to be on.... some one try a zx9r with a muzzy 1000 kit in it... might be worth a crack or a cbr900 running a 954 kit,think out side the square,one of the joys of these classes

come on a zxr 750 with a big bore kit would be the way to go (-; cambell on his rc30 in 1990 did a 109 at manfeild as well

[Drew]

come on a zxr 750 with a big bore kit would be the way to go (-; cambell on his rc30 in 1990 did a 109 at manfeild as well

Doug Poland went at least a second quicker, on a shit box 888 Ducati.

Comparing times with back then is like comparing a Levels time, to a Ruapuna lap. The track is not as fast as it was.

[worm13]

Doug Poland went at least a second quicker, on a shit box 888 Ducati.

Comparing times with back then is like comparing a Levels time, to a Ruapuna lap. The track is not as fast as it was.

Na the guys with the money these days have gone soft

[slowpoke]

That's all that is needed to be said.Just take your lights off and come racing ya big jessie.

Leave all the bullshit reg talk to people who just like to talk as opposed to doing it.

Me GSXR1000K7 is already a race bike/garage clothes drying rack, I've just gotta find a set of FCR's and fuck off the poofy FI now. No worries, will be interesting to see what rocks up.

[crazy man]

Doug Poland went at least a second quicker, on a shit box 888 Ducati.

Comparing times with back then is like comparing a Levels time, to a Ruapuna lap. The track is not as fast as it was.

no went more like 3 sec's faster think it was a 106.6

[Drew]

no went more like 3 sec's faster think it was a 106.6

Been some conjecture over the years on here, regarding the exact times. I was being conservative.

[lukemillar]

The track is not as fast as it was.

I have heard this before as well

Crazy Man posted an F3 timesheet a while ago from way back when and a lot of the 400s were doing 13s/14s. I haven't seen a 400 get under 17s/18s in recent times at that was with a decent rider and in theory, tyre/suspension tech should be much better now! Maybe we are just pussies...

[worm13]

I have heard this before as well

Crazy Man posted an F3 timesheet a while ago from way back when and a lot of the 400s were doing 13s/14s. I haven't seen a 400 get under 17s/18s in recent times at that was with a decent rider and in theory, tyre/suspension tech should be much better now! Maybe we are just pussies...

most of thoses 400s were 96 onwards and running 600 front ends etc etc also I know with the zxrs theres about 25 kilos different between them and 89 zxrs but saying that back then the track was rough... only one line thru thr hairpin you had no choice in that, turn one was a bit like that as well with the slippery cement patch mid corner. its kind of a hard one to pick really bikes where different and a shitty surface (IMO) and today bikes arent the same but the surface is better.
Should put Glen Willams on your 400 Crazy man should be about the same as a Jared Love on a FZR400 and compare times