Post-Classic rules on engine swapping

[nodrog:Me]

Call me a whinger if you like, plenty have, but what is the point in complaining or splitting hairs about fairing shape for Post Classic bikes?
If one wants to race a Post Classic bike, race a Post Classic bike that fits the period. If one does not, go race a modern bike.
Questioning the shape of fairings is just being petulant for no good reason.
Sure, full fairings were period, that is defined in the word TYPE. The shape is defined in the word STYLE. NXA model RS250 fairings are not period for Post Classic. '89 model MC18 NSR fairings would be OK, but MC21 are later and different shape slightly, so might slide by, but do not meet the spirit of the rule and at the end of the day that is the main part of the whole Post Classic thing, the SPIRIT of the rule.

I would hazard a guess that the engine in that bike is later than '89 also, at a guess.

As you were.....

Well fuck me in the ear for asking a question and trying to understand these well worded rules.

I was only asking because I was told by some of the postie guys that bodywork was irrelevant.

Sorry.

[Str8 Jacket]

Well fuck me in the ear for asking a question and trying to understand these well worded rules.

I was only asking because I was told by some of the postie guys that bodywork was irrelevant.

Sorry.

Look you sorry sack of shit, you're not helping.

Anyway I agree that postie bike should LOOK like bike of that era......

[sugilite:Me]

Well, I learned from this thread there are some hard and fast rules in classic racing if you actually read and understand them I'm one of those that got "any" 4 piston Brembos, mainly because I saw other bikes with them and thought that was ok. Now I know I need these older black ones that seem in my initial research to have only appeared on fairly exotic machines like Ducati 851's, 888's and Bimotas. I'll be bloody lucky to find a set of those. Shit I'm struggling to even find out when the calipers I did buy were 1st manufactured! I'm pissed at myself because I spent a lot of dosh getting the calipers I did, and spent even more than the calipers were worth having adapter plates made. Yeah, it's my on fault, The opinion I'm forming is the classic scene seems to have some hard and fast rules along side some massive grey area rules. Kudos to those that have exploited said grey areas, seeing as I'm just a dumb cunt who can not even read the concisely written rules properly.
While I'm here, I fully intend to use a 90 model H2 swing arm, as H2's were technically manufactured in 89. Besides, the H1 and H2 frames are the same as each other. To any of those that know better, feel free to point out the error of my ways before I go and polish the bloody thing!
Aha, interesting, just got off the phone to Kawasaki NZ, turns out the swing arm is listed a H1 race kit part, so yay.
Anyone want to buy some Brembo gold line calipers?

[lukemillar]

Dont get me startted on the 450's must be in F2 rule............, one of the dafter ones that......

Only if you have a 450! I thought the idea behind the Jr/Sr -> F1, F2 + F3 switch was to reflect the rules of the era?

[neil_cb125t]

Fairings must be completely of the era - shape, taste does not matter, if you run a tail piece that looks like its POST 89 its illegal=your bike is contrary to the rules=if protested against will be disqualified.

I know this because the ZXR400 I have owned/raced in F3 and posties for more than 5 years has only ever had 03 ZX6r fairings on it. For 3 years no one minded.....then when you start smashing everyone that not running a 1000 or bigger, the Post classics "CLAN" start snooping around your garage, don't introduce themselves as they are snooping and then complain that you modern fairings are illegal and your points should be wiped.

This did create a ruling from MNZ (i received a phone call from said organisation) that fairing must be of the era of the class. Funnily enough the end of that season 09 i think my bike took on different fairings for the different classes. I have never returned to PC racing.

The New F1 F2 F3 rules also will reduce the size of classic pers coming on board - having a larger number of classes with higher restrictions does not increase entrant numbers, smaller feilds = lower quality of racing. There was nothing wrong with 600 up and 600 below classes, if my ZXR could take out 600s, making PC F3 a 400cc limited class has made the class a ZXR and possibly VFR400 dominated class........no other 400 or 250 will be competitive

I less one eyed approach would be to have a 600up, 600below, then a 250 2 stroke PC class. how many PC 2 smokers would turn up if that is all they were racing against.

[neil_cb125t]

While I'm here, I fully intend to use a 90 model H2 swing arm, as H2's were technically manufactured in 89. Besides, the H1 and H2 frames are the same as each other. To any of those that know better, feel free to point out the error of my ways before I go and polish the bloody thing!
Aha, interesting, just got off the phone to Kawasaki NZ, turns out the swing arm is listed a H1 race kit part, so yay.
Anyone want to buy some Brembo gold line calipers?

If the H2 swing arm is listed as an H1 race part that doesn't matter - if it was not available until POST 89, its BANNED. The 400s came out H1 and H2, H2 was 90 onwards, same frame as h1 but different swing arms... those swing arms are banned by PC association.

[Kickaha]

If the H2 swing arm is listed as an H1 race part that doesn't matter - if it was not available until POST 89, its BANNED.

Nothing to do with when it was available, it is all about when it was manufactured

[sugilite:Me]

I still think it would of been so much easier to police if they had said "model year" it's nigh on impossible to prove when something was or was not manufactured 23 odd years ago, imho.

[neil_cb125t]

Nothing to do with when it was available, it is all about when it was manufactured

So how do you measure or check when it was manufactured? easier to check when you could buy it/it came onto the market.

[neil_cb125t]

I still think it would of been so much easier to police if they had said "model year" it's nigh on impossible to prove when something was or was not manufactured 23 odd years ago, imho.

what he said

[MOTOXXX]

i cant say im that interested in the F2 posties class tbh. Not much fun competing against 4 other people in a competition.

[steveyb]

Yeah, on the face of it the F2 class might be a bit undersubscribed mighten it as no one would currently really race a 600 as it would not be competitive in PC Senior and does not fit PC Junior.
Maybe more riders on 250GP bikes will come out, but I don't think that there are very many period bikes left that are in racing condition.
I would suggest that riders with 450cc engines lobby the association together to change the rule and put the bikes in F3. Surely there were people who made their engines 450cc back in the day? It was most certainly do-able, there are no "new era" parts needed to do it.
Surely common sense would prevail???? Surely??? No????

Sorry to have been a bit obtuse earlier, but we have actually been through the fairing debate before (via Chap Chap Chappy) and it all got pretty heated at the time and I was over hearing it all again.

I very much personally feel that there is a phillosophy with Post Classic racing and that if one wants to go PC racing then race a bike that is period, period.

See ya's out there.

[lukemillar]

i cant say im that interested in the F2 posties class tbh. Not much fun competing against 4 other people in a competition.

Isn't that what happens now anyway? It's not like there are 20 riders competing for the top spot every month. You'll just end up racing against the same people you raced against last year.

[Kickaha]

So how do you measure or check when it was manufactured? easier to check when you could buy it/it came onto the market.

No idea, but the rules state "manufactured" of course if you do find something that was manufactured prior to the cut off date and the NZPCRA don't like it they'll get the rules changed to ban it anyway

[Billy]

No idea, but the rules state "manufactured" of course if you do find something that was manufactured prior to the cut off date and the NZPCRA don't like it they'll get the rules changed to ban it anyway

Nope,They have to apply to MNZ for a rule change,Just like everybody else.