Lawless and the Greenpeace protest

[Indiana_Jones]

No issue with anyone having a protest on something they feel strongly about.

But I can't help but laugh when you see the old Champagne socialists saying "Oh yes drillnig for oil is bad, we shouldn't allow it", finish off their latte with soy milk and get in their Range Rover.......

-Indy

[onearmedbandit]

No issue with anyone having a protest on something they feel strongly about.

But I can't help but laugh when you see the old Champagne socialists saying "Oh yes drillnig for oil is bad, we shouldn't allow it", finish off their latte with soy milk and get in their Range Rover.......

-Indy

Why highlight Range Rovers? Nearly every car uses plastic etc, these products are made from oil based products. In fact a lot of high end vehicles have more 'natural' products in them then cheaper vehicles with man made materials. We all use plastic every day, including the most staunchest 'greenie'. It's oh so easy to blame the guy in his BMW/Merc/Audi/RR but not so easy to accept that we all are abusers of natural resources. God the human race is a fucking joke.

[Indiana_Jones]

Why highlight Range Rovers? Nearly every car uses plastic etc, these products are made from oil based products. In fact a lot of high end vehicles have more 'natural' products in them then cheaper vehicles with man made materials. We all use plastic every day, including the most staunchest 'greenie'. It's oh so easy to blame the guy in his BMW/Merc/Audi/RR but not so easy to accept that we all are abusers of natural resources. God the human race is a fucking joke.

I wasn't using that make in the context. It's just a generic Yuppies car, feel free to insert Audi, Mercedes-Benz, Jaguar, Aston Martin in it's place.

I don't blame the guy in whatever car, we all enjoy the benefits we get from the resources, but some people insist we feel bad about doing so.

-Indy

[onearmedbandit]

I wasn't using that make in the context. It's just a generic Yuppies car, feel free to insert Audi, Mercedes-Benz, Jaguar, Aston Martin in it's place.

I don't blame the guy in whatever car, we all enjoy the benefits we get from the resources, but some people insist we feel bad about doing so.

-Indy

I did. So why should the guy who worked hard and made it be pointed out still? Don't you get what I'm saying Indy? We're all as bad as each other. Sure he may drive a 'yuppie' car but at home he may have a fantastic recycling system, use only organic products and limit wastage. He may have also implemented the same at the company he owns. But nah fuck that, lets criticise him because of the car he drives. Yup, that's all we need to know. Even if he doesn't, do you live your life in a way that doesn't damage the eco-system?

[Indiana_Jones]

I did. So why should the guy who worked hard and made it be pointed out still? Don't you get what I'm saying Indy? We're all as bad as each other. Sure he may drive a 'yuppie' car but at home he may have a fantastic recycling system, use only organic products and limit wastage. He may have also implemented the same at the company he owns. But nah fuck that, lets criticise him because of the car he drives. Yup, that's all we need to know. Even if he doesn't, do you live your life in a way that doesn't damage the eco-system?

I never said they were any worse than you and I

I'm shitting on the planet just as much as anyone else, maybe worse than Mr. Range Rover as I have zero emission controls on my cage...



Edit: Also I guess my use of yuppies was because you normally get celebrities promoting certain things, like solar panels on roofs and some other sort of eco thing that no doubt costs a packet of money, it's very well and easy for them to say that as they can afford it, but not everyone can and to make us feel guilty of that is BS. Please note I have nothing against people who have money, respect in most causes for people who have made it themselves. Not a huge fan of 'old money' though.

-Indy

[onearmedbandit]

I never said they were any worse than you and I



-Indy

So why do you laugh when you see what you described in your original post?

[puddytat]

Do they realise just how much they too are consumers of our natural resources???

I think that more than the average "Joe' they are well aware of their own dependency on oil & its by-products,and are simply trying to make us aware that we need to think ahead.I think the crux of the matter is the ease at which the oil industry will throw billions of dollars at exploration & the lobbyig of Govts to get the O.K to drill & explore within critical & pristine enviroments. Yet they play only lip service to the idea of alternatives & the enviroment or simply pay the fines .
Imagine....if the Seven Sisters spent their yearly exploration budgets on alternatives.We'd not only solve problems a lot quicker but they would paint themselves a rosier shade.
To Quote BPs' spin "Beyond Petroleum"....? What? Beyond profit?...Beyond precept? Beyond pollution? Beyond prevaricating? Beyond pretense? Beyond problem.

[onearmedbandit]

Don't hate the players, hate the game. And the game is greed, something most of us are well-versed in.

[Indiana_Jones]

So why do you laugh when you see what you described in your original post?

Because champagne socialists are knobs?

-Indy

[Scuba_Steve]

I think the crux of the matter is the ease at which the oil industry will throw billions of dollars at exploration & the lobbyig of Govts to get the O.K to drill & explore within critical & pristine enviroments. Yet they play only lip service to the idea of alternatives & the enviroment or simply pay the fines .

See I think Govts are the problem, we need oil like it or hate it for a while yet we're gonna be dependent on it. So the Govts need to grow some balls & stop taking backhanders and change the approval for exploration & drilling, it should come with a hefty agreement,
"should something go wrong the company has 1 week to sort it out/clear it up. If the company fails to do so the Govt steps in & throws everything at saving the environment with costs going to the oil company" None of this 'allowing them to try to save profits' like in the Gulf.
They fuck up they wear the costs & it will be sorted immediately, if that means they have to permanently seal off the oil so be it environment comes first, if the cost of the clean-up sends them bankrupt so be it the environment comes first.

Well thats my opinion anyways. Hassling the oil companies won't do anything, they should be hassling the Govt to put hefty conditions on the agreements

[Indiana_Jones]

Makes sense to me.

-Indy

[puddytat]

Makes sense to me too!! We need to hassle them, both the Govts & the Cartels though it can be hard to tell them apart.


Its hard to be labelled a champagne socialist just because your a conservationist. Im a Hippie & I cant afford any champagne. But Im handy at growing the ingredients.

[scissorhands]

Second car's could be electric 3 wheel 2 seater 250kg bubble commuter specials, cleaner air for kids going to school too

Town bikes could be 150Nm torque dragsters from hell with 100km distance, quicker accelerating automatic transmission and faster than most gas bikes. Or, 2kw commuter cubs with 1200mpg economy

And those who want to go to the track with benzine can if they want.

Thats what I would want. Charge 'em at home

[mashman]

Nah, it's all a guilt trip... these hypocritical fuckers have absolutely no idea of what oil is used for... best just shoot them and get on with the game.

Well thats my opinion anyways. Hassling the oil companies won't do anything, they should be hassling the Govt to put hefty conditions on the agreements

They've been doing that since before I was born. It isn't working, go figure! I shall say it again. Until you remove the profit motive you will achieve nothing. The focus is on making money at any cost to feed an ever growing market. They may well research new technologies and indeed some of the greener options will require the use of oil to build, but once built they will eventually pay for themselves. They may not be perfect, but if it alleviates our reliance on oil production then it's a win win. The reason these technologies aren't implemented is because of ROI. There isn't a short term gain to be made, so the projects are shelved and left as great ideas on a drawing board somewhere. If you start reducing your reliance on oil then your economy will start to suffer, that's the argument (along with industry unemployment)?, because growth relies on oil production. That focus needs to shift away from that archaic thinking and the only way you're going to do that is to remove money. You can bleat all you like about being sensible and thoughtful in terms of oil usage but it will not reduce the demand. Bin money and do things because we need to get them done or face the consequences of war etc... when it all goes tits.

I when people harp on about protesters using the technology they're supposedly protesting against. It's how we're using it that's the problem, not the fact that we are using it . We can all see how useful technology is and it would be insane to just stop it. Get rid of the mechanism that's keeping useful tech on the drawing board!!!!!!!

[TrentNz]

second car's could be electric 3 wheel 2 seater 250kg bubble commuter specials, cleaner air for kids going to school too

town bikes could be 150nm torque dragsters from hell with 100km distance, quicker accelerating automatic transmission and faster than most gas bikes. Or, 2kw commuter cubs with 1200mpg economy

and those who want to go to the track with benzine can if they want.

Thats what i would want. Charge 'em at home

go to hell!!

Long live petrol motors!!!