Is 10 years enough for this prick?

[Zedder]

No, that wouldn't solve anything, and will serve only to punish the family of the victim more.

Hire a hitman, preferably someone off-shore who will disappear as soon as the job's done, not trace, no clues. Plenty of ex-military types who will be happy to rub out such low-life for a small fee, no questions asked.

Perhaps the hitman could do a few more jobs while he's here, there's plenty of gang members around. "Oops sorry, collateral damage....."

[SMOKEU]

Raurangi Marino's mother admits she failed her son and is responsible for a crime so horrific it sent shockwaves around the world.

"I didn't safeguard my children, and I didn't apply myself to looking after them," Lavinia Wall said yesterday.

Marino, 16, crept into a 5-year-old girl's Turangi holiday park caravan and viciously raped the girl four days before Christmas after bingeing on booze and cannabis.

The child suffered serious internal injuries and lost four teeth.

He was jailed yesterday in Rotorua District Court for 10 years for an attack which Judge Phillip Cooper said had inflicted significant emotional and physical harm on both the girl and her parents, who were visiting from Europe.

However, he noted Marino's violent upbringing punctuated with beatings and sexual abuse, and that his parents had been involved in rival gangs.

"You are solely responsible for your actions, but your whanau and external whanau are responsible for your upbringing ... of a young man who has committed a shocking crime."

Ms Wall, a former Black Power associate, said her son endured regular beatings at home.

"I wanted it to stop but I couldn't because I was a hard-out alcoholic and it was the family versus me."

She described Marino as a "good boy, a little naughty. He was just brought up too quick, too young, he got into drugs and alcohol too early. I take a lot of responsibility of what happened, and for his upbringing."

The family was angry at her, she said.

"They call me a bad mother and [say] I have brought up horrible children. I'm deeply sorry for the little girl's family, she will go through trauma for the rest of her life."

Marino's father, Mark Marino – a Taupo Mongrel Mob member – said he feared for his son's safety in prison.

Having served time himself, he knew of prisoners with similar convictions who "just disappeared" in jail.

"The sad thing is that everyone wants him to be chucked in with the lions. From my experience not all like him come out. I'm not able to help him now; he will be on his own for a while."

Mr Marino said he had written to the girl's family and apologised for his son's actions.

He agreed that his son's upbringing had been fraught.

"We all try to be good parents but we can't always be there with our children if they want to go off on their own."

Senior police officers who investigated the attack said it was the worst they had seen in 28 years.

The court was told how Marino was high on alcohol and drugs after drinking 20 to 30 bottles of beer, and RTDs, as well as smoking cannabis at a work function and party.

He stumbled to the Club Habitat holiday park and entered the unlocked caravan, intending to steal.

After raping the girl, he fled when he was discovered by her mother. He later biked to his house shirtless after throwing away his bloodstained T-shirt – "wishing he was dead, and the whole world would want him dead too", according to the summary of facts.

Immersed in a life of gang culture, Marino grew up wanting to emulate his father and join a gang, the court was told.

His childhood was bereft of role models or strong parenting, and marked by excessive violence between his parents, and from his father.

His parents separated when he was 13 and he did not see his mother for three years.

He was badly burned as a child when his siblings ran a hot bath for him, because his mother was drunk.

The injuries to his hands required extensive skin grafts.

A family member sexually assaulted him when he was 9 and again when he was 15, the court heard.

Marino left Tongariro School last May. A month before he attacked the young girl, he attempted suicide after breaking up with his girlfriend.

A pre-sentencing report said he could remember nothing of the attack because of his intoxication levels.

He will serve his sentence in the youth section of an adult prison until he turns 17. He is eligible for parole after serving a third of the sentence but has said he will not apply until he had served five years.

The girl's parents watched yesterday's sentencing from their home in Europe via a video link-up. In a statement, they said they were "relieved a part of this nightmare is finished – even if it is still just a part We would like to thank the court, the police and the people of New Zealand."

The judge said the attack was "every parent's worst nightmare". It included a high level of violence and an element of home invasion. The girl's young age had increased her vulnerability.

Crown prosecutor Fletcher Pilditch said Marino had brought "deep sense of shame to himself, to Turangi and to the country. The community was bewildered by a crime of such severity committed on a victim so young by someone 16 years old."

The girl was vulnerable, powerless and unable to protect herself, he said. She had been unable to sleep properly since.

Taupo Mayor Rick Cooper described the attack as despicable. "It is time society drew a line in the sand and nipped this sort of dysfunctional behaviour in the bud."

Canterbury University sociology professor and criminologist Greg Newbold said children who got into this sort of trouble come from the worst families.

"You don't get many happy, stable families who produce kids who do things like this."

WHAT HAPPENED

Inside the caravan, Raurangi Marino locked the door and grabbed the girl around the neck as she tried to flee.

He began to choke her in an attempt to stop her screams; he did so with such force that she passed out. Then he began to beat her about the face and body with his fists and elbows while sexually assaulting her.

The attack on the girl left her with four teeth knocked out and serious internal injuries.

Both her eyes were swollen shut and she had cuts and bruising to her face.

She was rushed to Waikato Hospital in a life-threatened condition and underwent surgery for 4½ hours.

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/ne...1485&noquote=1

[BOGAR]

I was listening to the radio and someone said his sentence was reduced due to his upbringing. The fact that he too was abused as a child (Somehow this makes it less bad?). But the point I am bring here is not that but what was said next. If this is the case and his sentence has been reduced due to this then the person who abused him should then also be charged. This person was a contributing factor in the case (sentence certainly reduced because of it). This would be bloody hard to convict but it would be a start to have some accountability for someone who may have got off completely for doing the crime in the first place. Just a thought but it seems so wrong to be able to commit a crime and get a reduced sentence just because it happened to them. Wrong is still wrong. But then it’s not a justice system it’s a legal system.
Kind of like getting caught for burglary and saying it’s not all my fault because I was robbed last year.
I know there are psychological impacts to consider and that this is a bit simplified but it struck a chord with me. That’s all, just some of my thoughts/opinions.

[Paul in NZ]

I was listening to the radio and someone said his sentence was reduced due to his upbringing. The fact that he too was abused as a child (Somehow this makes it less bad?). But the point I am bring here is not that but what was said next. If this is the case and his sentence has been reduced due to this then the person who abused him should then also be charged. This person was a contributing factor in the case (sentence certainly reduced because of it). This would be bloody hard to convict but it would be a start to have some accountability for someone who may have got off completely for doing the crime in the first place. Just a thought but it seems so wrong to be able to commit a crime and get a reduced sentence just because it happened to them. Wrong is still wrong. But then it’s not a justice system it’s a legal system.
Kind of like getting caught for burglary and saying it’s not all my fault because I was robbed last year.
I know there are psychological impacts to consider and that this is a bit simplified but it struck a chord with me. That’s all, just some of my thoughts/opinions.

There is a lot of sense in what you say. If his sentence was to be reduced because of his upbringing it should only be done if those responsible serve the 'reduction' amount of the sentence. Since it was obviously their fault they are surely liable.

[willytheekid]

[pissed my taxes will be feeding & housing this peice of shit and many more like him]

My cost saving solution & deterant-



...nuff said!

[Zedder]

There is a lot of sense in what you say. If his sentence was to be reduced because of his upbringing it should only be done if those responsible serve the 'reduction' amount of the sentence. Since it was obviously their fault they are surely liable.

Yes, a lot of sense there and I agree with the wider responsibility concept but I can't see the bleeding heart liberals, social workers and human rights activists all going for it. Thanks to their efforts, criminals have more rights than their victims.

[SMOKEU]

I was listening to the radio and someone said his sentence was reduced due to his upbringing. The fact that he too was abused as a child (Somehow this makes it less bad?). But the point I am bring here is not that but what was said next. If this is the case and his sentence has been reduced due to this then the person who abused him should then also be charged. This person was a contributing factor in the case (sentence certainly reduced because of it). This would be bloody hard to convict but it would be a start to have some accountability for someone who may have got off completely for doing the crime in the first place. Just a thought but it seems so wrong to be able to commit a crime and get a reduced sentence just because it happened to them. Wrong is still wrong. But then it’s not a justice system it’s a legal system.
Kind of like getting caught for burglary and saying it’s not all my fault because I was robbed last year.
I know there are psychological impacts to consider and that this is a bit simplified but it struck a chord with me. That’s all, just some of my thoughts/opinions.

If the parents are such criminals, then they should have been in jail. If they were in jail, then they wouldn't have had the opportunity to breed, and therefore this monster would never have been born.

John Key is a criminal, and the rest of idiots who make the laws are criminals as well because they ALLOW this sort of behaviour to happen. They ALLOW criminals to be free to breed the next generation of monsters, so they way I see it, the government are the ones who are even more guilty than the parents.

[Tigadee]

I really wonder if the criminal's personal history should be entered into the body of facts presented? So he was abused and neglected. Should he be held less accountable for this heinous crime? A horrific crime is a horrfic crime, what more commited against an innocent child.

What about the short history of the victim, who will now have a long scarred future? The piece of shit perp has had 16+ years to mess up his life, how can the system say "Oh, he was abused and neglected, let's give him a second chance." The victim will never have a second chance, never know peace, never know trust.

What's it say to the world about this country?
"Come to our beautiful green country and get raped and the perp gets a short sentence!"
"100% Pure New Zealand"? Where?
"Godzone"? More like Crimezone!

Does no one in power care any more about the moral and civil standards of this country? So if I grew up in the company of crooks, I should be left off lightly because it's not as bad as if I had an ideal childhood and turned to crime?

[nzspokes]

A lot of people have crap up bringings. Not many rape 5 year olds.

[oneofsix]

I really wonder if the criminal's personal history should be entered into the body of facts presented? So he was abused and neglected. Should he be held less accountable for this heinous crime? A horrific crime is a horrfic crime, what more commited against an innocent child.

What about the short history of the victim, who will now have a long scarred future? The piece of shit perp has had 20+ years to mess up his life, how can the system say "Oh, he was abused and neglected, let's give him a second chance." The victim will never have a second chance, never know peace, never know trust.

What's it say to the world about this country?
"Come to our beautiful green country and get raped and the perp gets a short sentence!"
"100% Pure New Zealand"? Where?
"Godzone"? More like Crimezone!

Does no one in power care any more about the moral and civil standards of this country? So if I grew up in the company of crooks, I should be left off lightly because it's not as bad as if I had an ideal childhood and turned to crime?

Surprised he didn't get a further reduction because he was drunk and high on weed at the time.

[Tigadee]

Precisely, so why should the perp's personal history enter into the picture? Why should it be an excuse, a justification? It should never be allowed as testimony or evidence for defense...

It's like saying "I'm sorry for crashing into your car but I was drunk because I grew up in a family of drinkers, so I should be let off lightly and only pay for your headlight and not the whole front of your car... and house I also crashed into... and dead dog."

The prosecutor should tell the jury to think of their granddaughter, their daughter, little sister, niece, or cousin and then to imagine this piece of scum raping her. That will put an end to this circus!

[oneofsix]

Precisely, so why should the perp's personal history enter into the picture? Why should it be an excuse, a justification? It should never be allowed as testimony or evidence for defense...

The prosecutor should tell the jury to think of their granddaughter, their daughter, little sister, niece, or cousin and then to imagine this piece of scum raping her. That will put an end to this circus!

Suspect it started way back as circumstances that lead to the crime, she stole the food to feed the family, but lawyers have to corrupt and have turned it into any excuse to reduce the client's sentence. Therefore it is the judge's fault for considering the argument in this case, and cases like it.
If anything this crimes background suggests he is incurable and therefore be put down now.

[Zedder]

Precisely, so why should the perp's personal history enter into the picture? Why should it be an excuse, a justification? It should never be allowed as testimony or evidence for defense...

Because of a legal concept called mitigating circumstances. The principle behind it being that circumstances, while not excusing the offenders behaviour, are taken into acount out of fairness or mercy.

[Edbear]

A lot of people have crap up bringings. Not many rape 5 year olds.

Personal experience with several of the issues this raises has made me conclude that such "monsters" are created, not born. If intervention happens early enough they can be changed but their total lack of regard for others is not genetic, it is environment.

Genetics can have a small influence on what a person may be suceptable too but it is entirely upbringing from birth that creates a person capable of this horror.

Yes, he knew it was wrong, even while carrying out the act and I don't believe for a second that he can't remember what he did. I do agree his parents should be held to account for their role.

[oneofsix]

Calling all bleeding hearts.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=10789028

Prison is not the right place for Raurangi Mark Marino, who was yesterday sentenced to 10 years' jail for the rape of a five-year-old girl, a Hastings District Council member says.

But Henare O'Keefe - who was named as a national local hero in the New Zealander of the Year awards for his work with combating family violence, mentoring youth, and assisting in the reintegration of prisoners - told Newstalk ZB this morning that Marino would be better off in a marae-based programme where he could learn how to change surrounded by good, solid citizens.

They had their chance.