Is 10 years enough for this prick?

**SMOKEU** · 1st March 2012, 10:08

Originally Posted by Tigadee

Does no one in power care any more about the moral and civil standards of this country? So if I grew up in the company of crooks, I should be left off lightly because it's not as bad as if I had an ideal childhood and turned to crime?

The government would rather focus on people exceeding speed limits or smoking pot or getting a little bit of wheelspin in their car than focus on the real issues such as violence and dishonesty.

It's the same reason why the penalties for speeding or sustained loss of traction can be much more severe than overtaking on the wrong side of the road around a blind corner. The laws are not designed with logic, they are designed to turn ordinary people into criminals and the real criminals are somehow protected up to a certain extent.

The government doesn't really care about the well-being of the citizens in NZ, they want to screw over ordinary people and give criminals light sentences to make it appear as if they are doing something about crime. I don't blame the police, I blame the politicians as they make the laws.

**Zedder** · 1st March 2012, 10:09

Originally Posted by oneofsix

Calling all bleeding hearts.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=10789028

They had their chance.

Exactly, but it won't stop them trying it on!

**Tigadee** · 1st March 2012, 10:12

The trouble with allowing "mitigating circumstances" is that it is all hearsay or circumstantial, based on testimony of equally guilty parties. How do we know if the parents didn't actually encourage partaking of booze and drugs?

I don't think the gangs sit around weaving baskets and making sweaters... How do we know he wasn't groomed to become a member of the gangs? We don't... We know nothing 100% except the crime he committed, and thus that is the basis he should be prosecuted on.

If a husband beats up his wife and breaks her back in two places, should he be let off [lightly] because he was drunk because his history involved drugs or alcohol or too much stress?

What happened to punishment fitting the crime? Should Hitler [if he'd been captured alive] be excused because he survived the ravages of WWI and went mad because of traumatic delayed stress? [And no one better say anything about how the two cases are different because only one little innocent girl was raped whereas Hitler killed millions! The point is that a horrific crime is a horrific crime is a horrific crime, the scale is irrelevant.]

But then if the politicians aren't held accountable and don't want to be held accountable, then why should they toughen the very laws that may put them into jail in the first place... It seems they are only patriotic and proud of New Zealand and its image when it comes to trade agreements and rugby.

**Tigadee** · 1st March 2012, 10:13

Originally Posted by SMOKEU

I don't blame the police, I blame the politicians as they make the laws.

Politicians = criminals

**Scuba_Steve** · 1st March 2012, 10:14

Originally Posted by Council member

Prison is not the right place for Raurangi Mark Marino

Originally Posted by Henare O'Keefe

- who was named as a national local hero in the New Zealander of the Year awards for his work with combating family violence, mentoring youth, and assisting in the reintegration of prisoners - told Newstalk ZB this morning that Marino would be better off in a marae-based programme where he could learn how to change surrounded by good, solid citizens.

You know I think their right... this guy should be relocated to a bed in the urupa part of a marae ASAP

**oneofsix** · 1st March 2012, 10:15

Originally Posted by SMOKEU

The government would rather focus on people exceeding speed limits or smoking pot or getting a little bit of wheelspin in their car than focus on the real issues such as violence and dishonesty.

It's the same reason why the penalties for speeding or sustained loss of traction can be much more severe than overtaking on the wrong side of the road around a blind corner. The laws are not designed with logic, they are designed to turn ordinary people into criminals and the real criminals are somehow protected up to a certain extent.

The government doesn't really care about the well-being of the citizens in NZ, they want to screw over ordinary people and give criminals light sentences to make it appear as if they are doing something about crime. I don't blame the police, I blame the politicians as they make the laws.

But this git was smoking pot before he committed his real crime.
It is fun blaming the police because there are a few on KB that give as good as they get.
The politicians want the support of the people at elections so they make populist laws with the assistance of the media and those people who are too stupid or lazy to stop them.

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing

**Zedder** · 1st March 2012, 10:16

Originally Posted by Tigadee

The trouble with allowing "mitigating circumstances" is that it is all hearsay or circumstantial, based on testimony of equally guilty parties. How do we know if the parents didn't actually encourage partaking of booze and drugs?

I don't think the gangs sit around weaving baskets and making sweaters... How do we know he wasn't groomed to become a member of the gangs? We don't... We know nothing 100% except the crime he committed, and thus that is the basis he should be prosecuted on.

Stop by Turangi when you've got a chance, preferably with police backup.

**Scuba_Steve** · 1st March 2012, 10:19

Originally Posted by SMOKEU

The government would rather focus on people exceeding speed limits or smoking pot or getting a little bit of wheelspin in their car than focus on the real issues such as violence and dishonesty.

It's the same reason why the penalties for speeding or sustained loss of traction can be much more severe than overtaking on the wrong side of the road around a blind corner. The laws are not designed with logic, they are designed to turn ordinary people into criminals and the real criminals are somehow protected up to a certain extent.

The government doesn't really care about the well-being of the citizens in NZ, they want to screw over ordinary people and give criminals light sentences to make it appear as if they are doing something about crime. I don't blame the police, I blame the politicians as they make the laws.

It's sorta a bully mentality ain't it, "it's hard to pick on real criminals so we'll pick on the defenceless instead to make ourselves feel good". But thats the sad truth its a much easier life to be a criminal in NZ than try & be law abiding

**Tigadee** · 1st March 2012, 10:28

Originally Posted by Zedder

Stop by Turangi when you've got a chance, preferably with police backup.

What does that mean?

**Zedder** · 1st March 2012, 10:41

Originally Posted by Edbear

Personal experience with several of the issues this raises has made me conclude that such "monsters" are created, not born. If intervention happens early enough they can be changed but their total lack of regard for others is not genetic, it is environment.

Genetics can have a small influence on what a person may be suceptable too but it is entirely upbringing from birth that creates a person capable of this horror.

Yes, he knew it was wrong, even while carrying out the act and I don't believe for a second that he can't remember what he did. I do agree his parents should be held to account for their role.

I agree with criminals being made not born. Environment is so important.

**Swoop** · 1st March 2012, 11:52

Originally Posted by Zedder

Stop by Turangi when you've got a chance, preferably with police backup.

There is good fishing and also good hunting to be had in Turangi then?

**Zedder** · 1st March 2012, 12:15

Originally Posted by Tigadee

What does that mean?

Sorry, I should have been clearer. We do have information about how bad an environment Turangi is, also the disfunctional family and the gang connections. It has been published in the newspapers and posted on here. Also, police investigators would have interviews all parties involved, not just the offender, and gained the relevant evidence.