Wealthy more likely to lie or cheat

[mashman]

There are always people who rise to the top, make a fortune and then appear to give back a substantial amount. The cynic in me insists that these people often do this from a very deep and unacknowledged sense of guilt about the ladder of mostly virtual corpses they created to get to the top. Motivation will of course be both simpler and more complex than that. But that's cool, because I have an ugly brain. The cynic also says that it is unlikely that the givers back will ever go short. But that's cool too. It's a great survival strategy.

According to should be Mr richy rich and all round exceptionally good cunt that shared beer o'clock with me tonight, he says he got to a point where he started to feel that everyone else was dragging their heels and that he was "entitled" to what he had earned and that the corpses deserved their place. He says it scared the shit out of him that he could feel that way. Not so much guilt (although he has tried to make "amends"), but certainly a concern for his fellow man that were/are less fortunate/skilful/able/willing etc... than he was/is.

[Brian d marge]

"The basis of all morality is duty, a concept with the same relation to society that self-interest has to the individual".

Can't remember, gotta gp with "Anon".



Oh, and "duty"? That which is owed.

A Famous Froggy said "
Finally, each man, in giving himself to all, gives himself to nobody; and as there is no associate over whom he does not acquire the same right as he yields others over himself, he gains an equivalent for everything he loses, and an increase of force for the preservation of what he has.
If then we discard from the social compact what is not of its essence, we shall find that it reduces itself to the following terms:
"Each of us puts his person and all his power in common under the supreme direction of the general will, and, in our corporate capacity, we receive each member as an indivisible part of the whole."


one of the few froggys I like ....

Monsieur Stephan

[scissorhands]

No bodies with Gareth Morgan, and none with me. Far more bodies and carnage with psychopathic poor.....than altruistic wealthy.

The marking stick here for human suffering caused by self interest is: psychopathy and not singularly wealth.
We look up to the wealthy for favours..... the masses are kinda like Maoris diving underwater for coins under a bridge in Rotorua.

If the Mr and Mrs Richy up high looks down at us swimming below... with our childlike benevolent smile of need, and no coin is tossed, he is then not a good honky.

I would suggest that Mashmans interest may be similar to thugs joining in The Springbok riots..... in no way are their lives pure and good or even non racist........ yet they fight for purity in others who are in the public domain and under constant scrutiny....

The ratio may be almost identical....
of altruistic wealthy vrs psychopathic wealthy
and altruistic protesters vrs psychopathic protesters

Until purity can be shown by your detractors, why would you change your bad ways for those who have a log in their own eye??

After immersing myself to the Occupy Auckland movement and its members, I found only partial moral high ground amongst them, maybe 10-20%


prolly the same as with the wealthy that they hate



Many wealthy look down upon the masses, like NZ white working/middle classes look down unfairly on Maori with their hand out, who then, due to the domino effect, disparage those beneath them.............................................d ogs, children, immigrants

Some moral relativity instead of rich hating please Mr Schoolteacher....

....... your charge upon the castle will require some more rebel rousing, maybe add some alcohol?

The uber wealthy are addicted to money highs, others settle for riding bikes, grog and church, some like weed

..........I have been kicked by the rich psychopaths many many many times......... I should be a hater too...... but strangely I'm not........maybe I should throw stones at them too, maybe one day I will too

[oneofsix]

No bodies with Gareth Morgan, and none with me. Far more bodies and carnage with psychopathic poor.....than altruistic wealthy.

The marking stick here for human suffering caused by self interest is: psychopathy and not singularly wealth. It's just we look up to the wealthy for favours..... the masses are kinda like Maoris diving underwater for coins under a bridge.

If the richy rich up high looks down at us swimming with our childlike benevolent smile of need, and no coin is tossed, he is then not a good honky.

I would suggest that Mashmans interest may be similar to thugs joining in The Springbok riots..... in no way are their lives pure and good or non racist........, yet they fight for it in others who are in the public domain and under constant scrutiny....

Your mistake is in your first sentence. Altruistic wealthy are fewer and further apart than they used to be. My feeling is that the altruistic wealthy come from those that produced something to gain their wealth. Whereas the survey and most of the modern wealth has come about by those that feel an exaggerated sense of entitlement and are therefore not about to share. The wealthy the survey highlights are those that take without caring about fairness or sharing.

[mashman]

Far more bodies and carnage with psychopathic poor.....than altruistic wealthy.

Whether meant or not (psychopathic? really? not just a lack of understanding for most?), you cannot escape the fact that in the current system under which we live, the amount of money that you or I have directly affects the amount of money available to other people. It is an undeniable fact. Motive does not come into it, unless you're a financial reaper.

I would suggest that Mashmans interest may be similar to thugs joining in The Springbok riots..... in no way are their lives pure and good or even non racist........ yet they fight for purity in others who are in the public domain and under constant scrutiny....

you're missing the point or most probaby trolling.

The ratio may be almost identical....
of altruistic wealthy vrs psychopathic wealthy
and altruistic protesters vrs psychopathic protesters

What about the other 99% of the population?

....... your charge upon the castle will require some more rebel rousing, maybe add some alcohol?

@rebel rousing... missing the point? or just more trolling?

Thanks for that post, I almost wee'd in places. Are there any shades of grey? or can there only be black and white in your analysis of the entire population of the planet?

I walked passed a homeless guy the other day. I had 2 bags of chippies in my hands, a buy one get the other half price. I didn't need two bags. I gave him 1 of the bags. He looked hungry. I then went back to worked and didn't feel any different about myself. Nothing altruistic about my motives. There was a need, I filled it. Although I did think that the money he saved on food could go towards drugs or booze, that made me feel a little better about myself

[avgas]

Its funny I have no problem with the rich. But waste my fucking time and I will wish cancer on your grandkids.
I would like think I value time more than money - but that notion is bullshit as I am still an engineer, working my arse off for the minimum buck, rather than quiting it all to spend time with my family.

Ain't life fucked up.

[avgas]

I walked passed a homeless guy the other day. I had 2 bags of chippies in my hands, a buy one get the other half price. I didn't need two bags. I gave him 1 of the bags. He looked hungry. I then went back to worked and didn't feel any different about myself. Nothing altruistic about my motives.

You mean bastard.
Giving a homeless man ghost chips.
Thats cruel man.

[mashman]

You mean bastard.
Giving a homeless man ghost chips.
Thats cruel man.

gimmee a break, I was internalising a complicated situation.

[scissorhands]

gimmee a break, I was internalising a complicated situation.

aint we all sometimes.......

[mashman]

aint we all sometimes.......

aye... some get paid to spend all day thinking about how to move the country forwards too

[Ocean1]

one of the few froggys I like ....

Monsieur Stephan [/I]

Ah, Rousseau. If I'd thought about it I'd have guessed you two would get on. You're aware that he recognised the need for individuals to opt out of his social contract?

What is the collective's purpose if not to foster and support the individual? Actually, don't bother, ancient debate and I don't need to do it yet again. Sufficed to say I don't feel very supported, so I decline to allow the collective to dictate terms with regard to my individual resources.

Indivisible part of the whole indeed.

[Ocean1]

you cannot escape the fact that in the current system under which we live, the amount of money that you or I have directly affects the amount of money available to other people. It is an undeniable fact.

It's unmitigated drivel is what it is.

There’s a reason the generally accepted term for the acquisition of money is to “make” it. There isn’t a restricted pool of cash and nobody is stealing your “share”. I thought you personally didn’t need or want money, how does it come about that you feel you have less than you need?

[mashman]

It's unmitigated drivel is what it is.

There’s a reason the generally accepted term for the acquisition of money is to “make” it. There isn’t a restricted pool of cash and nobody is stealing your “share”. I thought you personally didn’t need or want money, how does it come about that you feel you have less than you need?

If labelling the facts as drivel helps you sleep at night, then good for you. There is a finite money pool in NZ. It's a fact or we'd have enough money to pay for our services and wouldn't need to put people out of work to save money.

@stealing my share. The only reason I have less than I need is that it takes money to promote/advertise/research etc... and generate a solid set of policies in order to offer people an alternative way of living. I need money for my family. Sure I don't want it, but I have people that rely on my earning it.

[Ocean1]

If labelling the facts as drivel helps you sleep at night, then good for you. There is a finite money pool in NZ. It's a fact or we'd have enough money to pay for our services and wouldn't need to put people out of work to save money.

I bow my head to your superior logic.

@stealing my share. The only reason I have less than I need is that it takes money to promote/advertise/research etc... and generate a solid set of policies in order to offer people an alternative way of living. I need money for my family. Sure I don't want it, but I have people that rely on my earning it.

Further; I'd like to confess that I have some of your share of money. I have done since 1830, since which it's retained exactly the same comparitive value wrt the overall economy.

And I'm keeping it, 'cause I'm a cnut.

[mashman]

I bow my head to your superior logic.

Further; I'd like to confess that I have some of your share of money. I have done since 1830, since which it's retained exactly the same comparitive value wrt the overall economy.

And I'm keeping it, 'cause I'm a cnut.

About fuckin time too.

You used your time machine to take my money? I thought that was against your religion?

I knew that already.