A haka for teacher and pupil?

[schrodingers cat]

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If your passion is the future of our great nation fight the good fight from the inside. Sign up today! Money is OK, short days and endless holidays.

We all know about teaching cause we've all been to school right?

Otherwise shut the fuck up.

Yours respectfully, an ex teacher.

[avgas]

Your soldier is probably out there because the office carer guys are dickheads.

I have found this to be a top-down mantra.

Very few dickheads come from the bottom, unless they are trained from someone at the top first.

[avgas]

Yours respectfully, an ex teacher.

I would sign up to be a teacher.........if I was allowed to talk to the students as if they were adults.
Until that happens I personally don't understand why people do it. And feel sorry for the teachers of today.

But then again I am a a lowly engineer who is kept out back and kicked when things go wrong elsewhere in the company.........and I doubt someone has lit a candle or shed a tear for me.

Tis a fucked up world we live in.

[Winston001]

I would sign up to be a teacher.........if I was allowed to talk to the students as if they were adults.

Until that happens I personally don't understand why people do it. And feel sorry for the teachers of today.

Understand but I don't think it works quite like that. You can't talk to primary school children as adults, they don't have the knowledge or the language. Secondary school kids lack the maturity to be treated as adults until they are at least 15yrs - in fact I bet you can think of adults who fail the maturity test.

I suspect what you mean is treating children with respect, not belittling them, ignoring them, not playing favourites. Well my experience is todays teachers do treat their students with respect and encouragement.

However respect runs both ways and this is where it goes wrong. Quite a few children do not respect the teachers or the school, or anybody. And worse still, their parents are equally disrespectful so the kids are on the back foot from birth.

[avgas]

However respect runs both ways and this is where it goes wrong. Quite a few children do not respect the teachers or the school, or anybody. And worse still, their parents are equally disrespectful so the kids are on the back foot from birth.

Yep your getting where I was going.
There needs to be boot camp for problem students so that the other 90% can learn because they want to.
We need a way to eliminate bad parenting from how it affects schooling.

[mashman]

Yep your getting where I was going.
There needs to be boot camp for problem students so that the other 90% can learn because they want to.
We need a way to eliminate bad parenting from how it affects schooling.

Or encourage the kids, at school, to be better than their parents? obviously that could lead to a load of kids not wanting to be with their parents, but I don't have a problem with that, although I would imagine the state will in one way or another.

[avgas]

Or encourage the kids, at school, to be better than their parents? obviously that could lead to a load of kids not wanting to be with their parents, but I don't have a problem with that, although I would imagine the state will in one way or another.

Hence 'boot camp' rather than kicking them out.

There has been substantial progress made with out of class activities that get kids more involved in school. Worked for me, I did panelbeating, automotive shop, CAD.....

I doubt you will reach these kids by simply telling them "you should learn maths to be better than your parents!". If you want encourage a young teenage boy to learn maths, give him a ruler and a welder and say you want him to make something from a set of measurements/calculations. Subliminal Maths, Stats, physics, chemistry......

Likewise get teenage girls to argue (sorry I mean 'debate') about something they have to read about. Without knowing it they have covered English, Maths, Social Studies, Communications.....

Damn sight better than getting kids to write book reports about 'Utu', sing Maori songs and paint pictures of fruit.
Lets not make the poor sods bored and depressed until they start working.

[Oscar]

Or encourage the kids, at school, to be better than their parents? obviously that could lead to a load of kids not wanting to be with their parents, but I don't have a problem with that, although I would imagine the state will in one way or another.

This presupposes that education starts at school, not at home.
Parents have a lot more influence on their children’s education than any teacher.
Excluding parents from their children’s education or belittling the parents as part of the education process is a recipe for disaster.

You may be comfortable with a stranger telling your kids that you are an idiot, but I am not.

[mashman]

Hence 'boot camp' rather than kicking them out.

There has been substantial progress made with out of class activities that get kids more involved in school. Worked for me, I did panelbeating, automotive shop, CAD.....

I doubt you will reach these kids by simply telling them "you should learn maths to be better than your parents!". If you want encourage a young teenage boy to learn maths, give him a ruler and a welder and say you want him to make something from a set of measurements/calculations. Subliminal Maths, Stats, physics, chemistry......

Likewise get teenage girls to argue (sorry I mean 'debate') about something they have to read about. Without knowing it they have covered English, Maths, Social Studies, Communications.....

Damn sight better than getting kids to write book reports about 'Utu', sing Maori songs and paint pictures of fruit.
Lets not make the poor sods bored and depressed until they start working.

I agree wholeheartedly. Whatever it takes . The entire school system and private industry would have to change pretty quickly if the "kids"decided to behave themselves. I don't see "kids" as being unreasonable, just stubborn. "Kids" are easy () , you just got to help point them in a direction they want to go.

I see nothing wrong with a bit of culture.

[mashman]

This presupposes that education starts at school, not at home.
Parents have a lot more influence on their children’s education than any teacher.
Excluding parents from their children’s education or belittling the parents as part of the education process is a recipe for disaster.

You may be comfortable with a stranger telling your kids that you are an idiot, but I am not.

True. Isn't that what they mean when they say that the child just fell through the cracks?
True. No reason for the child not to receive an education though?
True.

[Squiggles]

short days and endless holidays

I must be at the wrong school.

[avgas]

I see nothing wrong with a bit of culture.

I do when it is being forced.

Culture is something that develops naturally, and is picked up on ones own behalf.
To force culture onto people is quite simply Suppression of onces own individual culture.

Culture is actually I wonderful thing when you pursue it of you own free will.
Make the subjects optional and you will see kids who really want to learn in the class. Or get hot teachers.

[Ronin]

Or encourage the kids, at school, to be better than their parents? obviously that could lead to a load of kids not wanting to be with their parents, but I don't have a problem with that, although I would imagine the state will in one way or another.

Honestly, without the support of the parents you are on an uphill battle. We have 3 kids in the school system at the moment, all at different schools. Without fault the first time we turn up at a parent teacher meeting and are seen to be taking an active interest in our kids education we are met with surprise and delight. It is not the norm now for this to happen. Even when we finish the numbers etc and we ask, "now what type of person are they"?

Until parents attitudes change, the teachers are fighting an uphill battle.

[mashman]

I do when it is being forced.

Culture is something that develops naturally, and is picked up on ones own behalf.
To force culture onto people is quite simply Suppression of onces own individual culture.

Culture is actually I wonderful thing when you pursue it of you own free will.
Make the subjects optional and you will see kids who really want to learn in the class. Or get hot teachers.

Fair enough... suits et al drive me mad too . We are forced to do things at school we'd rather not do and it carries on into adulthood, so being forced to adopt A (singular) cultural greeting would be a little more palatable?. Whilst optional culture is the only way to go, especially from an individual point of view, getting hot teachers into a grass skirt isn't going to happen by itself and it will likely need a helping hand to push it in through the back door.

All I'm really talking about is A "cultural" greeting between students and teachers (we're in NZ, a "haka" seemed sensible), praps only once a week, praps every morning, dunno... but it's more about confirming the ground rules for the daily interaction between student and teacher... the majority of students would take it "seriously"? or at least "heed" the message? and on that basis hopefully the students won't need the teachers to babysit them as they will know they have support etc...? it most probably is a garbage idea... however it's 1 way to offer respect for each others "job".

Honestly, without the support of the parents you are on an uphill battle. We have 3 kids in the school system at the moment, all at different schools. Without fault the first time we turn up at a parent teacher meeting and are seen to be taking an active interest in our kids education we are met with surprise and delight. It is not the norm now for this to happen. Even when we finish the numbers etc and we ask, "now what type of person are they"?

Until parents attitudes change, the teachers are fighting an uphill battle.

Completely agreed, but there are parents that are going to ignore anything that's happening in the "kids" life, but the kid still needs to learn the "respect" lesson. Where Home fails, School should be able to provide a backup? The Agassi school is set in a hole where there are undoubtedly more than a couple of bad parents, yet it still works. It would seem that it is the school that is making the difference...

The above shows that whilst parents are important they aren't the be all and end all in regards to student outcome. Granted that's not a hard, thick, fast rule, but it does show that something else is at work... and it must be the school environment?

[schrodingers cat]

I must be at the wrong school.

Certainly not one where sarcasm is on the curriculum.

Or you're doing it wrong.