So who's going to do it first?

[ManDownUnder]

Something good did come of it though - it gave me a chance to sit with my 5 1/2 year old little man and talk about what they were doing to animals (we flicked channels and missed the graphic bits - I assume they were aired)...

And funnily enough the whole "but Dad - you shoot animals sometimes" came up and it gave me a chance to talk through the hunter's ethic, clean kill, respect for the animal, only take what you need to (for meat, or for pest control)... etc.

Was actually a bloody good night because of that.

As for the little critters on the TV (the human ones, not the innocents), they deserve a punishment they won't enjoy, the people filming deserve exactly the same, and the idiots buying copies of it deserve exactly the same. They're all all indulging in the same crime either directly or by proxy, and it's nauseating.
I'm not a fan of vigilante justice - I think scumdog summed it up well in his first post on the subject, but I AM a fan of effective punishment. If those caught and proven guilty are not permanent residents I suggest this activity would make their applications extremely difficult - like IMPOSSIBLE

[Lou Girardin]

Personally I fail to see what the hell the fuss is about.

Should they have killed the cats? No.. But they are only cats.. If it was HUMAN BEING's they'd done it to I could understand all the angst, but it was only a stupid animal.

To my mind what they did is no different from little kids burning ants with a magnifying glasses, or pulling the wings off butterflies..

This better be a piss take or you're not much better than them.

[ManDownUnder]

This better be a piss take or you're not much better than them.

Agreed....

[onearmedbandit]

This better be a piss take or you're not much better than them.

Also agreed.

[ManDownUnder]

Personally I fail to see what the hell the fuss is about.

Should they have killed the cats? No.. But they are only cats.. If it was HUMAN BEING's they'd done it to I could understand all the angst, but it was only a stupid animal.

To my mind what they did is no different from little kids burning ants with a magnifying glasses, or pulling the wings off butterflies..

Actually - tell you what. I don't understand why you think like that (unless it were just a piss take). Help me out on this one... 'coz I really can't relate to it.

[Drunken Monkey]

He does, in a slightly unorthodox manner, raise an important question - where do you draw the line?

How do you define that its ok to stomp on spiders in the bathroom, but not kittens?

Most of us make a fairly quick and subconscious judgement on where to draw the line. It's not uncommon to find people who won't even kill insects. Does this make them better humans than others?

[ManDownUnder]

He does, in a slightly unorthodox manner, raise an important question - where do you draw the line?

How do you define that its ok to stomp on spiders in the bathroom, but not kittens?

Most of us make a fairly quick and subconscious judgement on where to draw the line. It's not uncommon to find people who won't even kill insects. Does this make them better humans than others?

For me it's all about a humane kill, and the necessity of the kill (for meat or pest control).

If it's done to injure or simply inflict pain on the animal then it's no go (and that includes singeing ants and pulling wings off butterflies).

If it's quick and painless and necessary then all fine with me

MDU

[Lias]

It's not a piss take.

Why is squishing a cockroach, or pouring salt on a slug acceptable, but burning cats isnt? There is no good reason other than the fact that western society declares that cats are "more worthy" than slugs.

Sure the cats suffered, but when it all comes down to it, it's only a bloody cat. It doesnt freaking matter that it suffered. Yet some of you people are advocating beating the crap out of human beings because of it.. You going to go beat the crap out of any koreans who like to eat cat next?

To my mind, unless you are all raving vegans, your just being hypocrites by saying its okay to kill one kind of animal and not another.

[Lias]

If it's done to injure or simply inflict pain on the animal then it's no go (and that includes singeing ants and pulling wings off butterflies).

How about hunting for sport (not meat)

Shall we send all the trophy hunters to jail?

[Eurygnomes]

where do you draw the line?How do you define that its ok to stomp on spiders in the bathroom, but not kittens?

Well, it figures in the same way as hunting for pest control doesn't it? I mean, to some, spiders/cockroaches et al are pests. Consequently, one heel of one shoe will put an end to their lives. I'm of that camp (mainly because I can't handle the idea that after releasing them, they'll have clung to the inside of the jar and crawl up my arm ...argh!!) personally.

I've also had to put down kittens (humanely, using drugs) because they've been unwanted, or their owners are unable to take them back to the UK because of the expense. Does that make ME (delivering the drugs) or THEM (shouldn't have kept the cat/kitten) bad peoples? And what about when you see a cat run over (squished back) but not dead...I feel an obligation to kill it then.

On the other hand, burning ants/pulling wings off butterflies (or any other flighted living critter) is pretty much one of the signs of a mind that's developing into one similar to the psychological profile of a serial killer. Or at least, that's what forensic anthropology/psychology teaches us. And despite having killed small fluffy innocent cats & dogs, I dont' consider myself on the path to murder.

Unless we're talkign mother-in-laws here! (jk)

So are these two BOTH the same though? Is one leading the other astray? Does one need more 'rehabilitation' than the other? Methinks this is highly likely. Sociopaths don't tend to socialise/congregate...do they? So perhaps peer pressure is a factor in at least one of these lads problems. The other...well...I think increased surveillance on him, his area (how many have pets/small children go missing) and his future development wouldn't go amiss. Probably cost too much though...

[Lias]

This video may be educational for some of you.

*edit* Attached video instead of link

[ManDownUnder]

It's not a piss take.

Why is squishing a cockroach, or pouring salt on a slug acceptable, but burning cats isnt? There is no good reason other than the fact that western society declares that cats are "more worthy" than slugs.

Sure the cats suffered, but when it all comes down to it, it's only a bloody cat. It doesnt freaking matter that it suffered. Yet some of you people are advocating beating the crap out of human beings because of it.. You going to go beat the crap out of any koreans who like to eat cat next?

To my mind, unless you are all raving vegans, your just being hypocrites by saying its okay to kill one kind of animal and not another.

Fair enough.

Squishing a coachroach is fine with me - kill it quick, because it's a pest.

Pouring salt on a slug is just chidish. Why do that inslead of squishing it. The same result but SLOWER... The obvious thought is that it's to inflict pain, at which point I ask the question - WHY?

People who get their jollies doing that won't like me as company.

Hurting cats before they die... pointless. From the cat's perspective it's unnecessary pain before lights out. Sure it's dead in the end, but to go out of your way to inflict pain is pshychopathic.

Korean's eating cat is fine with me. Kill 'em cleanly, treat 'em well and cook 'em - no worries here.

My concern is with the comment "it does't freaking matter that it suffered".

Why not? If suffering doesn't matter, why would you mind if I stole things from you (suffering economically), harrassed you (suffered mentally/emotionally) or just stubbed out ciggies on your arm?

It doesn't matter surely?

[ManDownUnder]

This video may be educational for some of you. (Website is NSFW!)

http://www.stilemedia.com/?v=kitty.wmv

broken link... can you load the vid onto the site?

[Lias]

Why not? If suffering doesn't matter, why would you mind if I stole things from you (suffering economically), harrassed you (suffered mentally/emotionally) or just stubbed out ciggies on your arm?

It doesn't matter surely?

Do you worry about a potatoes suffering when you peel its skin off? Of course not, its just a potatoe.

I feel the same way about animals.. If it's not a sentient human being, its feelings are irrelevant. As long as it doesn't harm any humans, I could really care less how they use the cats for entertainment. If they burnt the cats, buttraped the cats after wrapping em in ducttape, or sat there an rubbed them till they purred, all they are doing is using a natural resource for their enjoyment..

Would I run out and burn some cats like that? No, because I wouldnt get any enjoyment out of it.. But if others enjoy it, then what the helll.. ITS ONLY A CAT..

[Beemer]

Sure the cats suffered, but when it all comes down to it, it's only a bloody cat. It doesnt freaking matter that it suffered. Yet some of you people are advocating beating the crap out of human beings because of it...

You are a sick prick and if you truly feel this way, you should fuck off and not become involved in this thread. The person who started it was unhappy about the lack of remorse and the lack of punishment for the culprits and you're obviously not an animal lover so your comments aren't helping.

I think it was someone from the SPCA who said once that the people who scared him the most were those who were indifferent to animals. He said if they have strong feelings one way or another - whether it is hate or love - that is normal, but the worst cases of torture have usually been carried out by those who are indifferent to animals. Basically, they don't care what happens to them and will not intervene if they see them being tortured and will often join in without any thought of the consequences.

Cats and dogs have been domesticated animals for centuries and you can't compare them to slugs and spiders. That kind of reasoning is like condoning bullying "because they're only kids, they don't mean it". Yes, they do! Normal kids don't go around kicking kittens to death or strangling them, they may pull their tail or chase them, but they do it out of a misguided sense of "kitty wants to play" and not "I want to hurt kitty".

I hope someone does beat the crap out of these kids because next time it won't be a cat they torture, it will be a human. But on the other hand, if the 'human' they torture happens to be YOU, well, I say let them go for it. Tosser!