So who's going to do it first?

[ManDownUnder]

This video may be educational for some of you.

*edit* Attached video instead of link

How did they kill that kitten?

The main problems I have with that video are the emotive manner in which it's put together (cute kittens, opening shot, kitten dying and having it's head roughly hacked off while it's legs are still thrashing, all to the sound of Bohemian Rhapsody)

It should be a single clean kill (not two shots or shocks whatever the hell it was) and head removed with a single stroke - clever style.

Cleaning cooking and serving the thing isn't something I'd like to be involved in either personally, but that's because I see cats as lap wrmers, not food.

LiasTZ - How did they kill it?
MDU

[skidz]

What i saw was two little boys acting hard.

They will end up in jail. Looking at the size of them, they wont last long.

Nah! they'll be someones little pussy inside and it'll be a different sort of sticky stuff they'll get.

[Lias]

Anyone who advocates violence against people because of an animal is the sick fuck.

[ManDownUnder]

Do you worry about a potatoes suffering when you peel its skin off? Of course not, its just a potatoe.

I feel the same way about animals.. If it's not a sentient human being, its feelings are irrelevant. As long as it doesn't harm any humans, I could really care less how they use the cats for entertainment. If they burnt the cats, buttraped the cats after wrapping em in ducttape, or sat there an rubbed them till they purred, all they are doing is using a natural resource for their enjoyment..

Would I run out and burn some cats like that? No, because I wouldnt get any enjoyment out of it.. But if others enjoy it, then what the helll.. ITS ONLY A CAT..

ok - that's answered all the questions I have, except the one asking how they killed the cat. I can't agree with anything you say there. I have to admit I was educated - but I learned more about you than what's going on in the world.

And I feel sorry for you.

Can I also ask you remove the video as it possibly contains "offensive material" that would get the website in trouble?

MDU

[Phurrball]

Do you worry about a potatoes suffering when you peel its skin off? Of course not, its just a potatoe.

I feel the same way about animals.. If it's not a sentient human being, its feelings are irrelevant. As long as it doesn't harm any humans, I could really care less how they use the cats for entertainment. If they burnt the cats, buttraped the cats after wrapping em in ducttape, or sat there an rubbed them till they purred, all they are doing is using a natural resource for their enjoyment..

Would I run out and burn some cats like that? No, because I wouldnt get any enjoyment out of it.. But if others enjoy it, then what the helll.. ITS ONLY A CAT..

There is a major flaw in your argument.

There is a substantial difference between a potatoe and a cat, and for that matter a 'simple' animal like a jellyfish. It comes down to the structure of the nervous system of a cat, which is almost identical in form, function, and operation to that of a human. This follows for other mammals and 'complex' animals too.

At a genetic and functional level you are so similar to a cat , it's not funny[Why mice etc are used in scientific models]. Bear that in mind next time you see a cat suffering. It is feeling pain in a biological and functional sense in exactly the same way as you would were you set alight. This is objective scientific fact. You are not similar to a potatoe. It does not have a nervous system like you. Nor does my example of the jellyfish, which has a 'simple' nervous system based on a neural 'net' and perhaps represents a middle ground in response to stimulus that would produce pain in a 'higher' organism this fact leads to 'line in the sand' arguments re cockroaches etc.

These organisms do not feel pain as you do. A cat will.

A just society is measured by how it treats its most vulnerable, and also its most despised members. This is why people who commit unspeakable acts against other humans are treated [at least in theory] humanely when they are punished by society [Let's not get too far into this debate either].

Animals can't speak for themselves. As we are sentient human beings, and armed as we are with knowledge of our close similarity to animals, it is our duty to speak for them in the same breath as we do for the most vulnerable humans.

Anyone who advocates violence against people because of an animal is the sick fuck.

I agree, again for the reasons above [re treatment of the nastiest members of society]. I also see where you are going with the utility argument. There could be debate about the utility of hunting or vivisection for example. But there is arguably demonstrable human utility to these activities, whether or not you personally think it is justified.
There is NO demonstrable utility in causing unnecessary pain to animals when we know they feel pain in the same way as we do.

You are dead wrong about the irrelevancy of the feelings of any non sentient animal. This argument could be taken down a dangerous line: does a profoundly intellectually disabled human differ from an animal in this sentience-based calculus? Hmmm…

Think very carefully about where the label 'sick fcuk' additionally belongs. I'd stick it on subscribers to your argument personally .

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For the record: I think I have enough scientific study under my belt to make these claims. If anyone can add detail to them [like homology data of the human genome with respect to animal genomes] be my guest. I am also a pro-vivisection vegetarian without too many ethical objections to personal hunting and fishing. You could say I have complex ethics…Oh, and I like cats if you hadn't guessed from my avatar.

[Waylander]

Anyone who advocates violence against people because of an animal is the sick fuck.

Mate have you missed it then? All the references on here that cruelty to animals is just a step on the road to being a serial killer. Doesn't mean it can't be avoided. Ok so you say finding these two and teaching them a lesson is a bad idea. What would you suggest doing then? How would you show these two thick skulled fucktards that hurting things is wrong?

[onearmedbandit]

Anyone who advocates violence against people because of an animal is the sick fuck.

Whatever. Attack a defenseless animal when I'm around and you can call me a sick fuck, but I'll be dealing with it in the manner that most others will do as well. In all honesty, you should look in the mirror a bit more closely, you might be scared of what you actually see.

[ManDownUnder]

Whatever. Attack a defenseless animal when I'm around and you can call me a sick fuck, but I'll be dealing with it in the manner that most others will do as well. In all honesty, you should look in the mirror a bit more closely, you might be scared of what you actually see.

I suspect the mirror test won't be too successful here... the video posted was intended to educate a few of us...

If you haven't seen it - only do so if you have a strong stomach. I go shooting, I am used to seeing the death of small animals - and it horrified me....

I agree strongly with your comments about defending the defenseless however.

Nice one
MDU

[Lou Girardin]

I take it back LiasTZ, you are as bad as them. Keep your sick filth off this site.
You obviously are as lacking in empathy as the oxygen thieves featured on TV.
Congratulations, you're the first KB'er to truly piss me off.

[Waylander]

I take it back LiasTZ, you are as bad as them. Keep your sick filth off this site.
You obviously are as lacking in empathy as the oxygen thieves featured on TV.
Congratulations, you're the first KB'er to truly piss me off.

Keep it cool mate, he's not as bad as it seems. He's actually a cool cunt in person.

[ManDownUnder]

Keep it cool mate, he's not as bad as it seems. He's actually a cool cunt in person.

I have to admit I'm inclined to agree with Lou. The only thing I know of LiasTZ is the postings in KB. It takes a bit to get my pulse up... but this thread sure did.

NOTHING is forgiveable about inflicting pain on animals. Leave 'em be, or kill them for meat/pest control etc.

Without respect for others, you don't deserve respect from others.

I find alcohol, money, kids and animals are two very good indicators of a person's personality.

Too much alcohol or money - their true self starts to emerge.

Kids and animals generally have a good intuitive sense of who's ok and who's not, but beyond that the way kids and animals are treated by people in power is a VERY good indicator of the true self.

I think this thread has spoken for itself.

MDU

[onearmedbandit]

Keep it cool mate, he's not as bad as it seems. He's actually a cool cunt in person.

I seriously doubt that, very seriously.

[Sniper]

Hey Scumdog, I've seen poorly shot aims go pretty horrifically wrong, If every person in the world had your self acclaimed perfect shot, then for sure this wouldn't happen. I was at Taylor Prestons Slaughter House just last week, the bolts they used there are as instant as your bullet will ever get!
They're positioned exactly right to provide an instant death, just like your every aimed shot.
By the way, I have a 300 metre range Military Marksmanship rating, I've fired a shot or two in my time. Your accuracy sounds well above any league I've ever come across.

I dont know Dafe. I have a Snipers badge and skilled shots up to and including 1000yards. Im sure Scumdog could be in the bracket of good shot, just like you could with practice

[Sniper]

or pouring salt on a slug acceptable

Because burning kittens is bloody horrible and pouring salt on slugs is funny

[Waylander]

I seriously doubt that, very seriously.

It is true though, despite all this. Still disagree with him about it but he isn't one who would go out and do cruel things to animals just for fun. I have met him and that's why this is a surprise for me. I still doubt he will actually do anything harmfull to an animal.