So who's going to do it first?

[manuboy]

The advanced lifeforms that are out there, observing us (and peacefully too, until we took the piss in the first Dr Who episode and countless startrek episodes / b-grade movies since) are probably having a similar debate right now.

So what? They're only humans! They won't suffer - they can't feel anything! The only have 1 brain and a puny little nervious system.

But i reckon when they come to play cowboys and indians with us LaisTZ, you'll be the first to go so, so thanks, you probably bought the rest of us a little time. Hope the anal Annihilator is good for u..

p.s Got a guild wars handle?

[Phurrball]

I already spoke to phurrball in PM's re this.

I'm not totally unfamiliar with the FVP Act, and I dont believe the video is in breach of it. The video's simply more shocking because its a cat (not an animal we associate with beign slaughtered and cooked). Think of it this way.. If it was a chicken having its head chopped off and being plucked instead of a cat having its head chopped off and being defurred, no-one would even be raising an eyebrow over it.



IANAL, but I've never heard of 3.2.f being interpreted in any way OTHER in a sexual sense (IE Extreme BDSM, sexual torture etc), which hardly applies in this sense.

By way of reply to LiasTZ,

Firstly, I take it that you agree, as per the s2 interpretation section of the Act, that you have 'published' the material in question for the purposes of the act by uploading it to the KB server.

You're probably quite right in terms of precedent; a noscitur a sociis interpretation may support your assertion too (colouring para. (f) of the subsection in light of paras (a) to (e)).

That said the statutory drafting is dysjunctive, ie any of, or more than one of s3(2) paras. (a) to (f) import a deemed categorisation of objectionable. The wording of para. (f) is clear on the face of it - I have not looked to case law WRT how this paragraph has been interpreted. Classification of material as objectionable can be as a result of s3(2)'s deeming provision, or by the mandatory considerations outlined in s3(3) and (4). s3(1) sets out a more general scope to the meaning of objectionable as follows:

"(1)For the purposes of this Act, a publication is objectionable if it describes, depicts, expresses, or otherwise deals with matters such as sex, horror, crime, cruelty, or violence in such a manner that the availability of the publication is likely to be injurious to the public good."

The overall weighing approach is then applied in s2(3) and (4).

You may be right that the video you have posted may fail the deeming test in s3(2)(f), but the other routes exist, and in light of the mandatory considerations in subs. (3) and (4) of section 3, you would be skating on fairly thin legal ice.

WRT your point that we should not discriminate between cats and the so-called 'traditional' food animals. I agree. I eat neither. That’s my personal viewpoint. By the same token, if people want to, they can eat any animal they like, so long as it is humanely treated!

You have failed to make that point, or any useful point, by posting that particular video. I would be having exactly the same argument if a sheep/pig/dog/chicken/naked mole rat were portrayed.

At issue here are:

1) If the reports in this thread are correct, the cat is not treated humanely; this cruelty, and the 'publication' of the video in this public site may lead to legal liability.

2) This is an inappropriate medium for posting such material, because of the scope of the audience.

Either way you are on very dodgy ground posting such material.

Don't bring the site into disrepute.

[See also MDU's post above.]

P.S. I'll forgive you for not citing statutes correctly

...but please...

LEARN TO USE APOSTROPHES CORRECTLY! [You manage sometimes, that only make it a more egregious sin!]

[Edit]The offending video is gone.[/Edit]

[Phurrball]

The advanced lifeforms that are out there, observing us (and peacefully too, until we took the piss in the first Dr Who episode and countless startrek episodes / b-grade movies since) are probably having a similar debate right now.

So what? They're only humans! They won't suffer - they can't feel anything! The only have 1 brain and a puny little nervious system.

But i reckon when they come to play cowboys and indians with us LaisTZ, you'll be the first to go so, so thanks, you probably bought the rest of us a little time. Hope the anal Annihilator is good for u..

p.s Got a guild wars handle?

:devil: Now THAT is a brilliant take on it...

Take a bow for succinctly summing it up Manuboy!:

[Lias]

But i reckon when they come to play cowboys and indians with us LaisTZ, you'll be the first to go so, so thanks, you probably bought the rest of us a little time. Hope the anal Annihilator is good for u..

That reminded me of this sound file for some reason.
http://www.audiocomedy.net/fakeads/sodomizer.shtml

p.s Got a guild wars handle?

Nope.. Was looking at it but like pretty much every other MMORPG released recently it just wasnt good enough to lure me away from EQ.

[spudchucka]

I saw last night that the two winners who torched the cats were both sentenced to nine months. Their only reaction was to pull faces and flash the gangsta man hand signals at the camera. Really staunch guys, you the men!

I'm hoping that there will be some large, smelly inmate that treats their bottoms like pussies and gives them both a nice dose of anal herpes to remind them of what they did for the rest of their miserable lives.

[Lias]

One got 9 months and the other got more I thought.. 2+ years?

[Lias]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3395666a11,00.html

Two Huntly teenagers who burnt three cats to death were jailed yesterday. Wirimu Karena, student, and Sahn Papa, sawmill worker, both 18, earlier admitted aggravated cruelty to the cats.

Karena also pleaded guilty to a other charges, including burglary, possession of cannabis, unlawfully interfering with a motor vehicle, receiving, possession of a cannabis pipe and theft committed while on bail.

Karena was jailed for a total of two years and Papa for nine months.

The cruelty incident happened in April, when the pair poured solvent over the cats and set them alight after finding them in council traps in Huntly.

Images of the incident caught on a security camera showed the pair rushing from the scene as a fireball engulfed the cats.

In Huntly District Court yesterday the pair gave the fingers to media as they were led away to start their sentences.

Judge Arthur Tompkins said there was an element of revenge and pre-meditation involved in the cat killings as Papa had recognised the cages they were in as belonging to a Waikato District Council animal control officer whom he suspected of shooting a friend's dog.
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Papa's lawyer Bruce Hesketh said Papa came from a broken family and was more of a follower than a leader and described the incident as "foolish and nasty".

Karena's lawyer Ted Walsh said there had been gang connections in Karena's upbringing and he had been living rough at the time of the offences.

Judge Tompkins ordered both to attend alcohol and drug counselling for six months after they are released.

2 years for the ringleader, 9 months for the other.. But if they are "gang associated" then they will probably be looked after inside I guess.

[Death 'N' Taxes]

Don't know whether this has been posted before - did a search on "Dog" and didn't find anything. But forgive me if it has.

A few weeks ago, there was an article on the news about a dog that had been mistreated. An elderly woman had taken in a boarder. Eventually both the boarder and her dog went missing.

The boarder called the woman and demanded money for the dog's return.
Anyway, the dog was eventually returned.

However, the dog had freezer burns on its back from where it had been kept, chucks of fur had been ripped out and skin sliced off with a razor, its feet had been sliced with a razor, AND HOLE HAD BEEN DRILLED INTO ITS NECK AND OIL/GREASE PUMPED INTO IT!!!!

The dog had to be put down. The who did it had done a similar thing at his previous residence where two cats went missing, one then returning with a broken jaw.

The Police were interviewed in respect of the complaint that was laid and told the reporter that they were too busy. Among the reasons listed were:

- Too many rapes - (fair enough)
- Too many murders - (again fair enough)
- Too many burglaries - (mmmm - ok)

But the kicker was - TOO MANY SPEEDERS!!!! OMFG!
They know who this fucker is, and if he is capable of such cruelty to animals - Could that not just be the start????

Anyway, that is my rant - been around the site for a while - met a few of you guys on rides - don't post much unless I have something really useful to say or something really winds me up - this is one of those things.

[spudchucka]

One got 9 months and the other got more I thought.. 2+ years?

I guess that was because of the other charges he was facing.

Karena also pleaded guilty to a other charges, including burglary, possession of cannabis, unlawfully interfering with a motor vehicle, receiving, possession of a cannabis pipe and theft committed while on bail.

[spudchucka]

The Police were interviewed in respect of the complaint that was laid and told the reporter that they were too busy. Among the reasons listed were:

- Too many rapes - (fair enough)
- Too many murders - (again fair enough)
- Too many burglaries - (mmmm - ok)

But the kicker was - TOO MANY SPEEDERS!!!! OMFG!
They know who this fucker is, and if he is capable of such cruelty to animals - Could that not just be the start????

What a load of absolute bullshit!

[Death 'N' Taxes]

What a load of absolute bullshit!

I hope you are refering to the reasons given and not the factual accuracy of my statement.

I guess to be totally accurate - the regional a commander actually said something along the lines of:

"Our resources are currently stretched with homocides, rapes, burglaries and speeders. And is my job to prioritise the investigations"

[Beemer]

And from today's news, even more proof there are some very sick people out there. Another reason why I'd hate to be a cop.

Policeman's family cat ripped in half
01 September 2005

Huntly policeman Blair Donaldson found his dead cat ripped in half and dumped in the police station car park.


The pet Persian cat was a Christmas present for his children but was buried before they could find out about its violent death.

Senior Sergeant Donaldson found the mutilated cat two days before two Huntly youths were jailed for burning two cats to death in Huntly in April.

Mr Donaldson investigated the incident but said today he did not know if the youths were associated with the violent death of his family pet.

"It is one of the downsides of being a cop."

It is not the first time Mr Donaldson and his family have had to endure attacks on their family pets.

A year ago his wife's five-year-old golden palomino horse was attacked by someone who used a knife to cut it under its front left leg. The show horse survived but the attack ended its days in the ring.

"It was wrecked for showing. It is part and parcel of being in the police."

Mr Donaldson said his children were devastated by the death of their Persian cat. The family's other cat was now kept inside.

He said the way the cat died showed a "pretty sick mind".

"It was very sad to see Patsy treated like that."

He said it was not an accident or a dog attack.

"I am gutted, quite honestly."

Mr Donaldson said he and his wife did not know where it would end.

"We have got a couple of horses. Hello, what are we going to do when we end up in the paddock and find a scene from the Godfather or something."

In the Godfather movie a horse was killed and decapitated and the head was left in a bed.

Mr Donaldson said he would not quit the police as a result of the attacks on their pets.

"Never let the bastards win," he said.

In the Huntly District Court yesterday Wirimu Karena, student, and Sahn Papa, sawmill worker, both 18, were jailed after earlier admitting aggravated cruelty to the cats.

Karena also pleaded guilty to a other charges, including burglary, possession of cannabis, unlawfully interfering with a motor vehicle, receiving, possession of a cannabis pipe and theft committed while on bail.

Karena was jailed for a total of two years and Papa for nine months.

The cruelty incident happened in April when the pair poured solvent over the cats and set them alight after finding them in council traps in Huntly.

[spudchucka]

I hope you are refering to the reasons given and not the factual accuracy of my statement.

I guess to be totally accurate - the regional a commander actually said something along the lines of:

"Our resources are currently stretched with homocides, rapes, burglaries and speeders. And is my job to prioritise the investigations"

Show me some facts or post the full story. If the police couldn't find the resources to deal with the situation themselves it would have at least been reported to the SPCA, who are the first line of enquiry in animal cruelty offences anyway.

[spudchucka]

It is part and parcel of being in the police

No its fucken not!

[Death 'N' Taxes]

Show me some facts or post the full story. If the police couldn't find the resources to deal with the situation themselves it would have at least been reported to the SPCA, who are the first line of enquiry in animal cruelty offences anyway.

The story was reported on Nightline a few weeks back. I am more ramped up about the offender anyway.
But one of the reasons given was unacceptable.

I haven't seen the story in print so can't quote it here.
But as I said - I don't post bullshit - I don't waste my time or yours.

Whether the first line of enquiry is the SPCA (as is the IRD with tax evasion cases) to make such a statement is unacceptable.

Don't take this as an all out personal attack on the Police and its members - as I fully support the Police, especially given that my partner works alongside you guys everyday.