Clubman laptimes AMCC

[Kevin G]

Fair chance if they are in clubmans they will not have a MNZ licence

So then they are getting a one event licence and when they sign it it states they must have an understanding of all rules etc so its the responsibility of the rider to be educated no matter what way you are entered at an MNZ event.
I agree this may not be the best way but its the rules right now.

[chrispy121]

so with these times why wernt they put up to f1 or F2?

wasnt it supposed to be 1.10 in clubmans at puke then you are bumped up to a higher class

maybe if they are running these times then put them in a faster class then put a yellow vest on them.

there seems to be a lot of people getting 1000cc bikes just so they can be fast in clubmans.

maybe limit clubmans to a 600cc class for safety?

[Kiwi Graham:Me]

Covering off a few points/comments raised since my last visit to this thread;

All bikes entering an AMCC event is put through scrutineering be that an ART day, Club event or National event.
Clubmans do not get issued day licenses, they must have MNZ licenses the same as every one else.

It is (or has been) the responsibility of the license holder to familiarise themselves with the rules inc flags prior to attending a race, the riders briefing is to 'brief' riders on the days protocols and point out any relevant issues for the day.

There is discussion going on about re-vamping the process for obtaining a license for the first time and this may well include a practical and theory test and the wearing of Hi-Viz for the first few races.

It is also important to remember first time racers need our support and part of that is ensuring that they are familiar with the basics and comfortable with that knowledge so they can concentrate on the job in hand (keeping upright and out of harms way) This is why we will be looking at a separate briefing for this class and include other 'junior racers' which will cover flags and rider etiquette, This and other aspects of race craft are addressed in group 4 of the ART days for those considering progressing into the racing scene. Personally I’m quite proud of the fact many riders who have progressed through the ranks of ART have also made there way onto the Club racing scene and some are doing very well indeed.

Lap times have been discussed and again will be looked at for next season, there will be an enforced lap time cut off and all new riders will be identifiable.

All of use started racing with a 'first race', I can still remember how nervous I was the first time I pulled out on to a circuit an I know I wasn't in the least concerned about rule 32.5.c or any such thing and the only flag I was keen on seeing was the chequered one. I was grateful to the racers around me who took me under there wing and the club I was in for steering me in the right direction, I spent 6-10 races (can’t remember) with a flappy yellow vest on before I was considered no longer needing to be identified as inexperienced. A proud day for me I can tell you.

The Clubmans class became very competitive this season and they will have learnt heaps, as I mentioned earlier the quicker ones will be in Formula Auckland or F2 next season and will continue that learning curve leaving the class for new racers to enter and start their racing carrier. I don’t think restricting Clubmans to capacity is the way to go because what is a 1000cc rider going to do jumping straight into F1 other than feel intimidated and ultimately put off.

Clubmans is as it should be, an introductory class for racing and with the time cut off and new rider ID as suggested together with a greater emphasis on their own briefing we shall all be able to move forward safely and competitively.

[Dreama]

Covering off a few points/comments raised since my last visit to this thread;

All bikes entering an AMCC event is put through scrutineering be that an ART day, Club event or National event.
Clubmans do not get issued day licenses, they must have MNZ licenses the same as every one else.

It is (or has been) the responsibility of the license holder to familiarise themselves with the rules inc flags prior to attending a race, the riders briefing is to 'brief' riders on the days protocols and point out any relevant issues for the day.

There is discussion going on about re-vamping the process for obtaining a license for the first time and this may well include a practical and theory test and the wearing of Hi-Viz for the first few races.

It is also important to remember first time racers need our support and part of that is ensuring that they are familiar with the basics and comfortable with that knowledge so they can concentrate on the job in hand (keeping upright and out of harms way) This is why we will be looking at a separate briefing for this class and include other 'junior racers' which will cover flags and rider etiquette, This and other aspects of race craft are addressed in group 4 of the ART days for those considering progressing into the racing scene. Personally I’m quite proud of the fact many riders who have progressed through the ranks of ART have also made there way onto the Club racing scene and some are doing very well indeed.

Lap times have been discussed and again will be looked at for next season, there will be an enforced lap time cut off and all new riders will be identifiable.

All of use started racing with a 'first race', I can still remember how nervous I was the first time I pulled out on to a circuit an I know I wasn't in the least concerned about rule 32.5.c or any such thing and the only flag I was keen on seeing was the chequered one. I was grateful to the racers around me who took me under there wing and the club I was in for steering me in the right direction, I spent 6-10 races (can’t remember) with a flappy yellow vest on before I was considered no longer needing to be identified as inexperienced. A proud day for me I can tell you.

The Clubmans class became very competitive this season and they will have learnt heaps, as I mentioned earlier the quicker ones will be in Formula Auckland or F2 next season and will continue that learning curve leaving the class for new racers to enter and start their racing carrier. I don’t think restricting Clubmans to capacity is the way to go because what is a 1000cc rider going to do jumping straight into F1 other than feel intimidated and ultimately put off.

Clubmans is as it should be, an introductory class for racing and with the time cut off and new rider ID as suggested together with a greater emphasis on their own briefing we shall all be able to move forward safely and competitively.

Well said and explained, and especially relevant is the part about encouraging new racers, which is what the clubmans class is for and the way they have come through from the ART days.

I suppose it's hard for this old boy to relate to the way so many clubmans have been able to reach those lap times so soon.
I'm guessing it's a combo of the mind bogglingly fast and well balanced over the counter 1000's and 600's, the riders who have adapted to those bikes and the speed very quickly and, as mentioned, the ART days.

Main thing is, it's all good for the race scene.