Clubman laptimes AMCC

[Dreama]

WTF ..... 1.02's and 1.03's for the top 5 or so in clubmans at Puke this last weekend !!!

Kinda defeats the purpose of the class I would have thought.

[sharky]

WTF ..... 1.02's and 1.03's for the top 5 or so in clubmans at Puke this last weekend !!!

Kinda defeats the purpose of the class I would have thought.

They might know how to get around the track fast, but they haven't learrnt what the flags mean - passing under reds

[Kiwi Graham:Me]

Both issues will be addressed ready for next season.

Formula Auckland will have a much bigger grid next season and Clubmans will be given a briefing on their own.

The Clubmans class this year developed some pretty spectacular times as the season progressed but it takes a little longer to develop race craft. However disregarding flags is a huge no no and was addressed immediately by both the CoC and the steward when they were brought back to the dummy grid.

An awesome days racing all the same with impressive lap times in all classes.

[J-rod]

Both issues will be addressed ready for next season.

Formula Auckland will have a much bigger grid next season and Clubmans will be given a briefing on their own.

The Clubmans class this year developed some pretty spectacular times as the season progressed but it takes a little longer to develop race craft. However disregarding flags is a huge no no and was addressed immediately by both the CoC and the steward when they were brought back to the dummy grid.

An awesome days racing all the same with impressive lap times in all classes.

Gents,

I was out there and I didn't see one person pass on the red, may have happened behind me but certainly not top 6, hands went out, everyone slowed down.

Secondly, everyone stayed slow and went into the pits apart from the two guys who were already going over the hill.

The only reason it took so long for everyone to get in the pits was that once the red was pulled everone went slow thinking there was a second incident. Remember there was two and a half laps under yellow before the red was pulled.

Keep in mind, we are in clubmans because we are learning and we are far more concerned about not hurting ourselves or others than winning races....

[c4.]

Gents,

I was out there and I didn't see one person pass on the red, may have happened behind me but certainly not top 6, hands went out, everyone slowed down.

Secondly, everyone stayed slow and went into the pits apart from the two guys who were already going over the hill.

The only reason it took so long for everyone to get in the pits was that once the red was pulled everone went slow thinking there was a second incident. Remember there was two and a half laps under yellow before the red was pulled.

Keep in mind, we are in clubmans because we are learning and we are far more concerned about not hurting ourselves or others than winning races....

I concur.
The first red flag I saw was the start finish line, they waved me (and following bikes) thru.
We circulated to the pits and got a bollocking.
Must've been 1 or 2 riders, harsh to tar and feather the whole group.
There was some very competitive jostling between the leaders of the points table on the last day of the season, go figure, I saw some crazy maneuvers from F1-F2, even called by race commentator.
Perhaps riders briefings that reiterate flags and rules should be mandatory?
10cents

[crazzed]

What happened to bring out the red flag?

[Kiwi Graham:Me]

What happened to bring out the red flag?

Chain on the circuit

[slowpoke]

WTF ..... 1.02's and 1.03's for the top 5 or so in clubmans at Puke this last weekend !!!

Kinda defeats the purpose of the class I would have thought.

Haha, I thought exactly the same thing mate! If you are doing that sort of time there's fuck all to be gained staying in clubbies, you'll learn a hell of a lot more mixing it up in F1.

[Peter Smith]

I spoke to one of the clubman guys that was doing 1:03's. He wasn't allowed to race F1 as he had not done 3 races meetings.
There also was an old post classic bike doing 1:03's in F1. I think he got 3rd in one of the races.

[Kevin G]

As a competitor at a race meeting if you do not know the flags and rules then you should not be on the track plain and bloody simple!
When you take a race licence you sign that you know and fully understand the rules, also most clubs sign in sheet and disclaimer will also require you to sign that you know and understand the rules.
Riders Briefing is not a place to teach people the rules!

Vent finished.

I concur.
The first red flag I saw was the start finish line, they waved me (and following bikes) thru.
We circulated to the pits and got a bollocking.
Must've been 1 or 2 riders, harsh to tar and feather the whole group.
There was some very competitive jostling between the leaders of the points table on the last day of the season, go figure, I saw some crazy maneuvers from F1-F2, even called by race commentator.
Perhaps riders briefings that reiterate flags and rules should be mandatory?
10cents

[codgyoleracer]

As a competitor at a race meeting if you do not know the flags and rules then you should not be on the track plain and bloody simple!
When you take a race licence you sign that you know and fully understand the rules, also most clubs sign in sheet and disclaimer will also require you to sign that you know and understand the rules.
Riders Briefing is not a place to teach people the rules!

Vent finished.

What he said, especially the last line

[gixerracer]

As a competitor at a race meeting if you do not know the flags and rules then you should not be on the track plain and bloody simple!
When you take a race licence you sign that you know and fully understand the rules, also most clubs sign in sheet and disclaimer will also require you to sign that you know and understand the rules.
Riders Briefing is not a place to teach people the rules!

Vent finished.

Fair chance if they are in clubmans they will not have a MNZ licence

[scracha]

Tyrewarmers, slicks and >150bhp bikes mean clubmans is now a completely pointless class that wastes precious track time.

Bung a yellow vest on new riders, give them a scratchie safety test and throw them in a class based on their qualifying time. Don't allow them to score points if they've been dropped to a "lower" class due to low qualifying time. Black flag them if they're dangerous/stupid.

[codgyoleracer]

Fair chance if they are in clubmans they will not have a MNZ licence

I think there should be a basic understanding of things like which way to go round the track, how to leave pitlane & exit the track, flag colours/meanings. (it is still "an organised race" afterall ?) - so there needs to be a smattering of basic safety.
Scritineering of clubmans bikes - probably isnt a bad thing either.


As far as racing protocols on track, then Fair chance appliesat this level.


GW

[FROSTY:Me]

In my opinion this specific issue is EXACTLY why track days ie not race meetings are the place to learn your basic track craft and to transfer theory into a real life situation.
I genuinely believe that this is why the EXACT same flag rules should apply nation wide for track days as apply for race meetings even be it at least the basic -red/yellow/black flag
The ART days that are bringing out these new racers do a great job of feeding the funnel. I can't comment as to the emphasis placed on the flags and their use but I seem to recall they had big posters everywhere.
I do know I used to run through the flags during Riders brief at the KB track days
Its a genuine belief I have that anyone wanting to do a race meeting should attend ONE track day before doing so -specifically one that runs just like a race meeting.