Ports of Auckland

[Hinny]

I can't reconcile the $27/hr no penal rates with earning $90000, who is being less than truthful ??

That sensationalism is the product of the $150 - 250 an hour PR people POA hired.
- Hey, isn't that our money they are wasting to convey misconception.
- The winning of hearts and minds... for what purpose.
- From the comments in this thread they have been very successful.

Getting back to my point about working harder these days.
Winston argues that we work less and are very wealthy.
'Wealthy' is a very subjective measure.
It is simply not something that can be expressed in dollars and cents.
That is a common misconception that results in poor decision making and associated courses of action.
The problem is the failure to recognise all the costs and benefits associated with competing choices; that is a fundamental flaw of accounting.
Attempts have been, and will continue to be, made to address this problem.
That 'problem' is a fundamental flaw in the ethos of this government and why they continue to make stupid decisions that our society has to suffer.
It was demonstrated by the Port worker who spoke out about working double shift weeks. Sure he was earning more money but his health suffered and his family life suffered. He never saw his kids and he was tired and grumpy all the time. Was he better off? He didn't think so.
'Well-offness' is determined by your values. What you'll do for ten bucks / what you'll pay ten bucks for.
Making society more 'Well-off' should be the role of the government.
Making NZ society more well-off should be the role of the NZ govt.
Has this Govt. fulfilled or abdicated this role?

It is also a role of the Unions. The fewer people paying their union fees and the ravages of Govt. legislation has resulted in Unions losing a lot of their strength.
This has contributed to greater disparity in economic wealth. One of the major contributors to our slide on the OECD scale of Well-offness.
This is considered a successful outcome by right-wing govts. who steadfastly believe the old mantra of 'Trickle Down'. ... Still!

[trustme]

Thanks for the rant, long on gobbledegook but did not even attempt to answer the question.
I suspect the union is equally guilty of peddling misconception & manipulating the media.
Obviously you have fallen for it.

[JMemonic]

Thanks for the rant, long on gobbledegook but did not even attempt to answer the question.
I suspect the union is equally guilty of peddling misconception & manipulating the media.
Obviously you have fallen for it.

Where is this information you speak of, so far the only thing I have seen is what I posted, and interestingly that was sent to me by someone in AKL, where as I have seen full page adverts in the Christchurch Press from POAL claiming they offered 10% pay and a raft of other things.

[BoristheBiter]

Where is this information you speak of, so far the only thing I have seen is what I posted, and interestingly that was sent to me by someone in AKL, where as I have seen full page adverts in the Christchurch Press from POAL claiming they offered 10% pay and a raft of other things.

so where is the unions press release to say the POA didn't offer this?

[Hinny]

Have all the haters believed that the average wage for these port workers is $90+ K for 26 hours of work a week?

Do you think the union has the same resources available as POA to 'win hearts and minds', or manipulate the public as some suggest?

Are suggestions that there is more going on than meets the eye just more conspiracy theories?

Gullible much?
Perhaps putting brains into gear before mouths might be the order of the day.

[Hinny]

We live in a world that is paradoxical.

We pursue happiness
and it leads to resentment,
and it leads to unhappiness
and an explosion of mental illness.

This is clearly demonstrated in the sycophantic, dribbling scribbles of the union bashers.

[Winston001]

We pursue happiness
and it leads to resentment,
and it leads to unhappiness
and an explosion of mental illness.

You are absolutely right and you know why? - because no-one can argue with you.




Now, where did you put the Seroquel tablets? Yes its time to take one - in fact take two. You'll feel so much better.

[JMemonic]

so where is the unions press release to say the POA didn't offer this?

Um I sent it through, I guess you don't have an idea of the cost of a full page ad, let alone one in several major newspapers.

[Zedder]

According to the Herald this morning, they're all back at work in the good ole POA.

[SPman]

and now they've all been locked out again.....

Ports workers were served an official lockout notice from Ports of Auckland management this morning, just hours before a vote to end lengthy strike action.

and........

A Ports of Auckland manager who was at the bargaining table with the Maritime Union has been linked to a company hiring non-union wharfies. The man has allegedly been recruiting staff for a new company, Pacific Crew Holdings Ltd, which was registered with the Companies Office on February 27.
The timing of the new company - nine days before Ports of Auckland announced it would replace 235 striking union members with non-union wharfies - has raised concerns at the Auckland Council, which owns the port company.

don't you just love it.........

[Zedder]

What the....?

[Winston001]

and now they've all been locked out again.....

That's no big deal. Its only effective from 6 April. What the POA are doing is saying to MUNZ - We will negotiate but no mucking around. Not another 3 months "bargaining" getting nowhere.

Underlying that I suspect POA believe the union leaders will be so insulted that the strike will continue. The union members will then face more weeks with no income and become disillusioned with their leadership = union collapses and they accept the POA terms.

[Winston001]

and........

Originally Posted by NZ Harald

A Ports of Auckland manager who was at the bargaining table with the Maritime Union has been linked to a company hiring non-union wharfies. The man has allegedly been recruiting staff for a new company, Pacific Crew Holdings Ltd, which was registered with the Companies Office on February 27.
The timing of the new company - nine days before Ports of Auckland announced it would replace 235 striking union members with non-union wharfies - has raised concerns at the Auckland Council, which owns the port company.

don't you just love it.........

I share your disbelief. Its one thing for POA to establish a subsidiary stevedoring company (they haven't) but quite another for one of their staff to establish such a business. Ok maybe he had permission but it taints the whole POA vs MUNZ process.

[caspernz]

This whole story keeps getting more bizarre by the day. Gotta feel sorry for the guys who are out on strike in a way, but I reckon Winston you're onto the idea...crush the union movement altogether is the end aim of POA. Just wonder how much it'll cost the Auckland ratepayers....

[Paul in NZ]

This fish seems to be rotting from the head down......