Sad P addicts and thier dealers

[Big Dave]

Something 'boy' golfs are endowed with... Don't ask what the lady golfs are equipped with...

Fair ways of course.

[Lou Girardin]

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If you actually knew me in person I think you would temper things I may write with the knowledge that I do genuinely try to be a nice person and would never try to offend people. If I was to want to offend you, you would know it.

Cheers[/QUOTE]

Not offended, curious.

[Biff]

Just a minor correction for those here stating that smoking cannabis in Holland is legal - it's not. The authorities tolerate the smoking of cannabis only in establishments that have clearly stated their intention to supply and host people smoking pot. It is therefore de-criminalised, meaning that you can still get arrested for smoking it on the street, or technically even in the coffee shop if the cops wanted to.

My experiences of visiting Amsterdam have all been excellent. By daytime visiting the wonderful galleries, museums and taking in canal boat trips. Then by evening joining the office workers, professionals, families, tourists and other locals having a chat over a coffee and a smoke. Then walking around the city where there are no longer pissed people looking for fights (as in all major cities), just stoned people giggling and enjoying themselves.

I even had a chat with a cop there on one of my visits. I asked him what it was like policing Amsterdam since the tolerance on using cannabis was introduced. He claimed that violent crime was now at an all time low, arrests and detection of class A drugs were up, but only due to the increase in resource now available to them as they could now concentrate on the harder drugs instead of "wasting our time with people smoking ganja".

[ManDownUnder]

Yeah it is a shame, but its something we've learnt to live with... you wouldn't believe the extent it... it took us nearly 3 months to find a new place when we moved... so many landlords had that shocked look on thier faces when they realised that the "my partner" I mentioned on the phone was actually a "my lesbian partner" and from the word go where very off-ish and all to often we got the "sorry it's been taken" and seen the same place advertised for 2 more weeks afterwards... Once I even called the guy back when I saw his ad, and fooled him to thinking I was just another enquiry about the place, asked if it was still available and he said "yep no takers yet" then mentioned who I was... and got hung up on... still enjoyed catching him out though... lol

At least my work is gay friendly

The more I learn about others - the more comfortable I am in myself, and with them.

From what I understand "coming out" must be BLOODY hard - and to anyone/everyone that's gone through it - I salute you.. big time!

I don't "understand" what it is to be gay - I'm not and I don't dare to presume to be able to relate to those feelings. From what I understand (and PF your email exemplifies it) it's amasing what prejudices are out there - either born of ignorance or religion.

To me they seem unreasonable.

I have a thing against overt PDA's anyway, be it by any couple (young, oldm black, white, gay or straight). If you want to be intimate - do it somewhere private.

A kiss on the cheek, holding hands or a hug for whatever reason... GO FOR IT.

A friend of mine once told me "What other people think of you is none of your business".

It's very true.
MDU

[Paul in NZ]

Fair ways of course.

Humphf!

Well you could have at least had the decency to set me up so I could have replied.. "Why a hole in one of course"

Sigh.... (pt)

[Beemer]

Fair ways of course.

I like it!

This topic has definitely gone in all directions - but it's great, it's just like a rambling discussion at your mate's place!

I think the main reason some people don't like seeing gay people showing affection is probably because they aren't getting any themselves. Also, they have this weird notion that if they are the same sex as the gay person, that gay person will fancy them! Come on, do straight people think every person of the opposite sex fancies them? (Well, I know some guys who do...) No, so why should they assume that every gay person thinks they are desirable! Not being able to speak from experience, I would assume that gay people are just like straight people as far as what attracts them goes - they may like tall people, cuddly people, Asian people, funny people, quiet people - the only difference is, they are people of the same sex.

[FROSTY:Me]

Just in respone to this... Sam and I don't do DPA (Public Displays of affection), for that exact reason. Just like we don't smoke around people who we know don't smoke... just like we don't swear infront of old people and the such...

We go out of our way to be considerate towards others... exspecially when we don't know the people that we are around... did anyone on the ride the other Sunday see Sam and I kiss? Or hold hands? Or even hug? No because we understand that people can't be accepting... not that I think being gay is anything like smoking P so it isn't even relavent... and if people think having gays/lesbians around children will make them gay then everyone is gay because everyone at some stage in thier life has been around a gay person weather they know it or not...

*doesn't even see the comparison between sexuality and P*

I read this and went OMG we have just got waaaay to PC
PF my advise to you would be if you love someone enough to want to hold hands the fucken do it.If you wanna hug do it.
There aint enough love out there as it is without putting provisos on it
Maybee Ive just got thick skin but I do what i wanna do and if people don't like it -stuff em they can look elsewhere.

[placidfemme]

A friend of mine once told me "What other people think of you is none of your business".

It's very true.
MDU

Thats a good one... and it's true...

Also, they have this weird notion that if they are the same sex as the gay person, that gay person will fancy them! Come on, do straight people think every person of the opposite sex fancies them? (Well, I know some guys who do...) No, so why should they assume that every gay person thinks they are desirable! Not being able to speak from experience, I would assume that gay people are just like straight people as far as what attracts them goes - they may like tall people, cuddly people, Asian people, funny people, quiet people - the only difference is, they are people of the same sex.

that is so true... so many women as soon as they notice/hear/realise that I'm gay they start to act all wierd as though I were going to hit on them... lol not very likely as I don't hit on anyone *is a shy little thing... really *

And the worst is: "Do you think I'm hot?"

How do you answer that? If you say yes it's all "oh my god a lesbian likes me, eww don't hit on me" and if I say no its all "why not? Am I ugly?"

lol sometimes you just can't win... it's like the "does my ass look fat in this?" haha why yes it does!

[MSTRS:Me]

.... ass......

Grrrr. Where is Hitcher when he's needed?

[750Y]

Not offended, curious.

Lou, you're meant to use the personals forum... 8-)

[Wolf]

Grrrr. Where is Hitcher when he's needed?

Prolly hasn't run his daily search for "ass" yet...

I can't understand people making assumptions that gays are out to jump their hetero bones - the whole "arse against the wall, guys, here comes Ramone" thing is stupid.

I've flatted with a bisexual guy and used to crash at a mates place when a gay friend of his also used to crash there (never felt the need to lock myself in the toilet, we we both aware of each others' respective sexual preferences and respected that - I also knew he had a boyfriend and I didn't automatically assume he'd find me attractive - I don't find every female attractive.) I've had a number of gay male workmates and people I met socially at friend's parties - none of us worried when they kissed their partners, either.

Favourite assumption story, though:

I don't generally do the club scene thing - something about noisy, excessively smoky places with drunk idiots trying to pick up jail-bait doesn't thrill me - but I will occasionally go to a club if invited by friends.

One day a lesbian friend of mine invited me out to her favourite club - of course it was a "gay bar". I accepted the invitation and off we went. We got to the club and the guy at the door looked at us, a male and a female together, and said "Umm, you do know what this place is, don't you?"

As to the club - it was noisy and smoky, there were people making out at the tables etc. My friend vanished off for a while to go and chat with some of her other friends, leaving me alone at the table drinking and watching the crowd. Not one person tried to pick me up or even engage me in conversation.

So either I'm hideously ugly (I was once told by one of my gay friends, quite objectively and with no hint of a pick-up on his part, that I do look attractive) or I just didn't set off anyone's "gaydar" - I just look too "straight" in the sexual sense. (By other definitions of "straight", however...)

[placidfemme]

Yeah you can spot the straight people in gay bars a mile away lol Usually it's a straight couple looking to pick up an extra person for a "good time", no-one goes near them... and then you get the "fag hags" as in straight girls with gay male friends... generally the easiest way to spot the straight people in gay bars is that they kinda loko around at everyone and everything and every now and then you'll see a funny expression on thier face as they try to figure out if that 9 foot tall lady in the corner is actually a lady lol...

Sam and I used to do the clubbing thing religously... then it got to the point where there are so many drama's (you think that straight people thinking gay people are trying to pick them up is bad... in a gay bar you talk to anyone of the same sex and thier partner gets all agro and thinks your trying to steal thier partner... lol). So we stopped going clubbing... and also because our favourite club got burnt down... but yeah...

[Wolf]

(you think that straight people thinking gay people are trying to pick them up is bad... in a gay bar you talk to anyone of the same sex and thier partner gets all agro and thinks your trying to steal thier partner... lol).

Mate, I know straight guys and girls who're like that if a member of the appropriate sex starts talking with their partners.

One chick we know flies off the handle if a female acquaintance calls her and says "I'm with [husband]" - "with" as in they are both at the same location - she instantly thinks the other woman means they're currently having sex and her husband has left her. Fuck being married to someone like that! Fortunately Juliet is quite comfortable with me chatting to other women - including ex-girlfriends with whom I have managed to maintain a friendship.

I've seen hetero guys get quite bolshy and possessive - full turkey strut behaviour - if they see their wives/gfs/fucks talking with another man. Been on the receiving end of that.

I don't think the gay community has got the monopoly on drama

[Paul in NZ]

that is so true... so many women as soon as they notice/hear/realise that I'm gay they start to act all wierd as though I were going to hit on them... lol not very likely as I don't hit on anyone *is a shy little thing... really *

And the worst is: "Do you think I'm hot?"

How do you answer that? If you say yes it's all "oh my god a lesbian likes me, eww don't hit on me" and if I say no its all "why not? Am I ugly?"

lol sometimes you just can't win... it's like the "does my ass look fat in this?" haha why yes it does!

Meh!

All us guys have been throught THAT one... You are right, you can't win!

[placidfemme]

lol that is so true