Sad P addicts and thier dealers

**placidfemme** · 28th July 2005, 07:53

Originally Posted by Ixion

Google-fu to the rescue

Speedball

variously:

A mixture of cocaine and heroin, injected intravenously
OR heroin and methamphetamine , ditto
OR heroin and ritalin, ditto

Nasty stuff - I regret that Ms Jazbug5 should have known of such things. I so not regret my innocence on such matters.

Yeah... I also think a speedball might be thus:

At that party I also saw the dealer dude take a rollie paper (Zig Zag) and put some powder stuff in it and twist the paper and gave it to a guy to swallow... he also said "you can also sniff it". I don't know if it was speed... but could be similar to the term "Speedball" maybe?

**placidfemme** · 28th July 2005, 07:58

Originally Posted by Mooch

If you've got the time / energy, go around to your friends place when they aren't high. Explain that you've got some serious concerns for the kids and that they are being shocking parents. Ask them if they are capable of stopping the drugs and to seek help if they are not. The odd joint probably isn't an issue, but your friends have gone way past this point and are endangering kids. These people have sunk pretty low and it's only going to get worse.

I could do that, but only with my friend. I've only ever meet his girlfriend and her two kids (Ms. 3yo and Mr. 2yo) twice, including Sunday night... so I don't really have the right to say anything to her... and I don't know her as a person... (And I don't honestly want to know either... she's rather scummy... I was really disapointed with her the first time I meet her because I knew my mate could do better...) but with my friend I could speak to him about it, he seems to have taken over the "daddy" role pretty well with the kids (I saw him looking after them and playing with them a lot more then I saw the mother doing it...). I know he won't flip out at me if I say anything regarding the P thing, but I don't know if I can trust what he says about it... like "ok I won't do it again" and the such...

**unhingedlizard** · 28th July 2005, 08:33

Originally Posted by Pixie

THIS WANKER ASPIRES TO BE A LOW LIFE SCUM

If this gentlemen did half the stuff he claims to (the stuff that isnt contractitary) he wouldnt be in jail, he'd be dead.

**placidfemme** · 28th July 2005, 08:38

Originally Posted by unhingedlizard

If this gentlemen did half the stuff he claims to (the stuff that isnt contractitary) he wouldnt be in jail, he'd be dead.

He's not in jail... If you look in the Pointless Drivel section he created a thread called "WHORES" and states that he's just moved to Auckland and wants to know where he can cheap whores for about $80 (or $90??). He's just a shit stirrer.

**unhingedlizard** · 28th July 2005, 09:56

Originally Posted by placidfemme

He's not in jail... If you look in the Pointless Drivel section he created a thread called "WHORES" and states that he's just moved to Auckland and wants to know where he can cheap whores for about $80 (or $90??). He's just a shit stirrer.

Really? Did he find out whe.......er.......yeah, just a shit stirrer

**Deano** · 28th July 2005, 10:06

Pretty incredible the double standards that some of you proclaim.

E.G

Alcohol and pot is ok but anything else is not....

You can lead a productive life on heroin but pot will fuck your head up....

**Big Dave** · 28th July 2005, 10:19

Originally Posted by Deano

Pretty incredible the double standards that some of you proclaim.
E.G
Alcohol and pot is ok but anything else is not....

That's because the stoner will crash on your lounge - the Junkie will eventually try and steal it.

**placidfemme** · 28th July 2005, 10:26

Originally Posted by Big Dave

That's because the stoner will crash on your lounge - the Junkie will eventually try and steal it.

Very good point... I know a LOT of stoners and I'm known to have the occasional smoke, and not one person I know, has ever lost thier job, lost thier family, been invloved in crime, theft, or been physically abusive... or even verbally abusive while stoned.

Also as far as I'm aware, pot doesn't cause a bad "come down", and unless your smoking it on a daily basis (like all day everyday) I've never meet a moody, depressed stoner...

**Lou Girardin** · 28th July 2005, 10:34

Originally Posted by Pixie

Methamphetamine is a special case,due to it's ability to quickly induce psychosis,in mentally healthy users,that would be most unwise to legalise.
Heroin,by comparison,is benign and in countries that provide heroin for registered addicts,those addicts lead normal,productive lives.

Keith Richard puts his survival down to being able to afford good smack.

**jazbug5** · 28th July 2005, 10:37

Originally Posted by placidfemme

Also as far as I'm aware, pot doesn't cause a bad "come down", and unless your smoking it on a daily basis (like all day everyday) I've never meet a moody, depressed stoner...

Generally, I'd agree with most of what you're saying; pot smokers represent far less of a problem to society and other people. Mostly.
However, there are a number of people in psychiatric units who might never have had a schizophrenic episode had they not smoked it. I'd call that a hell of a comedown, myself! Most people, of course, do not have this happen, they smoke occasionally and not all day every day and suffer few ill effects. But every high comes with a price, in my opinion. We live in a world where we want everything with as little effort involved as possible, and that includes feeling good. Why work on yourself as a person when you can just pop a pill- whether prescribed by your doctor or by your friendly neighbourhood dealer? And who takes the trouble to find out exactly what they're taking first? The consumer society has turned us into passive consumers of all sorts of things...

**ManDownUnder** · 28th July 2005, 10:59

Originally Posted by Lou Girardin

Keith Richard puts his survival down to being able to afford good smack.

By the look of his face, he's had a few good smacks too!

**placidfemme** · 28th July 2005, 11:02

Yeah being pshycotic (sp) and schizo is a hell of a come down... I've read about the effects in reports and in the paper. And in NZ there are a hell of a lot of people that smoke pot, I'd say that honestly out of every 10 people I know, at least 6 or 7 smoke pot on a regular basis. I was actually rather surpirsed at how many people do.

Pot is a lot more accepted than other drugs. Most people don't even class it as a drug. When I first started smoking pot, it was to help me sleep (I had major issues with something personal I'd rather not go into, that caused me to get bad nightmares every night) the first time I smoked pot, I had a perfect nights sleep... so I started smoking it more and more... then when we moved to NZ I didn't know anyone... and exspecially no-one who smoked pot, so I stopped smoking it on a regular basis (due to not knowing where to get it). Now on the rare occasion I do smoke it's when someone I know has some and offers...

I don't have an issue really with people who smoke pot (maybe because I do occasionally too), and to be honest I'd rather be around people who are stoned then people who are drunk...

**ManDownUnder** · 28th July 2005, 11:17

Originally Posted by jazbug5

Generally, I'd agree with most of what you're saying; pot smokers represent far less of a problem to society and other people. Mostly.
However, there are a number of people in psychiatric units who might never have had a schizophrenic episode had they not smoked it. I'd call that a hell of a comedown, myself! Most people, of course, do not have this happen, they smoke occasionally and not all day every day and suffer few ill effects. But every high comes with a price, in my opinion. We live in a world where we want everything with as little effort involved as possible, and that includes feeling good. Why work on yourself as a person when you can just pop a pill- whether prescribed by your doctor or by your friendly neighbourhood dealer? And who takes the trouble to find out exactly what they're taking first? The consumer society has turned us into passive consumers of all sorts of things...

Cheers JB. This is a point of interest for me.

[rant warning]
I like to think we survived (as a race) for a long time, eating whats available - reasonably straight from the ground or animal.

Then we discover we can alter and more powerfully control our environment, and bodies through the use of various substances. We learn to refine them and set about using them - combatting side effects with yet other concocted solutions.

We ignore the fact they're doing stuff to our bodies we don't like, and gloss over that there may be serious side effects later on.

We live for now - so who cares?

It's gotten to the point where we now have no say in many such checmicals going into us, and very little say in others. MSG (aka additive 621) in foods... the sparying of the apple moth, rampant use of anitbiotics, growth promoting substances... all obvious examples of what I'm talking about.

We THEN rely on science to come up with yet MORE discoveries to get us out of our predicaments, and more science to get us out of the predicaments caused by those discoveries and so one... ad naseum

(check - anyone still reading?)

WTF?

Here's a novel idea... grow food slowly.. normally. Slow down - live and enjoy life (I think Frosty's sig sums it up best - go have a read).

Sure - if you NEED medicine, use it, but don't do it "just in case".

[rant over]

MDU

**jazbug5** · 28th July 2005, 11:20

Amen, brother...

**ManDownUnder** · 28th July 2005, 11:26

Originally Posted by Deano

Pretty incredible the double standards that some of you proclaim.

E.G

Alcohol and pot is ok but anything else is not....

Yeah good call - I'm a hippo(crite). I drink alcohol and caffeine but pot, guarana (sp?), heroine, P, E, and every other damned letter can go int he bin as far as I'm concerned.

I high enough on life now... bugger doing anything more!

MDU

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