LAMS approved bikes

**Hailwood** · 23rd March 2012, 20:10

MAKE
MODEL MAKE
MODEL MAKE
MODEL MAKE
MODEL MAICO
500 PEUGEOT
Geopolis 400cc TRIUMPH
Bonneville 650 YAMAHA
WR426F
Satelis 399
Speedtwin Continued…
WR450 or 450F MATCHLESS
600
Satelis 493
T100 Tiger
XJ550 or 650
650
Satelis 500cc
T100R Daytona 500
XJR400
G80 MAJOR
Thunderbird 650
XP500
All up to 660cc PIAGGIO
MP3 400
Trophy 500 or 650
XS400 or 650
X8 400
TRW25
XT225 or 350 or 500 LAVERDA
500
X9 500
All pre 1984 up to 660cc
XT550 or 600
XEVO 400
XT660R or X MONTESSA
3.5 Road
URAL
650
XTZ660
350 SPORT RICKMAN
650
XV535
500 STRADA
VELOCETTE
Mac 350
XVS650 or A
500W Rudgewhitworth
650 Ulster
MSS500
XZ550
500 Camel
Venom
YP 400
500 Sei SUZUKI
AN400 or 650
Cota
Citycom 300 VOR
400 or 450 ENDURO
DR350 or S
500 or 530 ENDURO
MOTO GUZZI
V35 or 50 or 65
DR400 or 500 or 650R
400 or 500SM
350GT
DR650R or RE or RL
FALCONE
DR650RSL or SE TM
300 Enduro
DR-Z400E
400E
MOTO MORINI
350 Sport
GR650
450E or MX
500 Strada
GS450E or S or SX
530MX or E
500W
GS500 or E or K
TM300,400,450 or 530
GS550
MUZ
BAGHIRA 660
GSX400E or F YAMAHA
DT400
SCORPION REPLICA
GSX650FU
IT426
SKORPION SPORT
GT380 or 500 or 550
IT465
SKORPION TOUR
Katana 550
IT490
Mastiff
LS650
MX400
PE400
RT2
MVAUGUSTA
350
RE5
RD350 pre 1975
SFV650V (Gladuis)
RD400
MZ
ETZ250
SV650SU
RT350
T500
SR500
NORTON
50
TS400
GS SERIES 550, 600
DOMINATOR
VS600 (Intruder)
SRX600
ES2
XF650
SZR660
MODEL 88
TT350
All up to 660cc SHERCO
S4 Enduro
TT600E or R
TX650
PANTHER
600
WR400F
650
All up to 660cc
PLEASE NOTE: Any motorcycle listed that exceeds 500cc will only considered if the model is pre 1990. Motorcycles may be added or removed from the approved list at the agencies discretion, at any time, and without consultation..

Thats the latest list i can find

**mossy1200** · 23rd March 2012, 20:11

Originally Posted by The Singing Chef

Leads me to wonder how it will be enforced, and I wish that guy would post up the list already, shall email NZTA and see if they will send me a copy.

It will be the Aus list as they use the same calculation.

Im feeling sorry for guys that paid 8-9-10grand for a nice rs250 thats going to be worth near nill soon.
I wonder if existing owners will need change bike or will be exempt.Any way you look at it the price of 2 smokers is as good as dead so ill buy one cheap later to play on.
Next club race class may become "smoker 250 ".Would make a great budget class.

**mossy1200** · 23rd March 2012, 20:17

PLEASE NOTE: Any motorcycle listed that exceeds 500cc will only considered if the model is pre 1990. Motorcycles may be added or removed from the approved list at the agencies discretion, at any time, and without consultation.

Thats a bad one.Buy a legal bike one day and cant ride it the next if they change their mind.How can they do that?

Looks like hyobag and sv are out

No way IT490 is in.LOL thats not an ideal learner bike.Drum brakes and 60odd hp all coming on instantly.That shouldnt be in there.

**The Singing Chef** · 23rd March 2012, 20:22

Originally Posted by mossy1200

PLEASE NOTE: Any motorcycle listed that exceeds 500cc will only considered if the model is pre 1990. Motorcycles may be added or removed from the approved list at the agencies discretion, at any time, and without consultation.

Thats a bad one.Buy a legal bike one day and cant ride it the next if they change their mind.How can they do that?

Looks like hyobag and sv are out

No way IT490 is in.LOL thats not an ideal learner bike.Drum brakes and 60odd hp all coming on instantly.That shouldnt be in there.

Damn, looks like either a motard or a monster for me. Or just get the 650 anyway or the thou version or Firestorm.
Guess I'll have to decide when the time comes.

**yod** · 23rd March 2012, 20:22

Originally Posted by FJRider

It's really simple ...

The maximum power to weight ratio has already been stated. For a motorcycle to exceed that ... means it is not LAMS approved. Regardless of ANY list it may appear on.
I'm guessing the charge if caught will be the old "riding a motorcycle for which you are unlicenced for". With the appropiate fines and demerits. Piss the cop off with "attitude" .... and it may get impounded as well ...

If you "need" the extra ponies ... make it a sleeper. Attracting the attention of the enforcers can only be bad news ... and expensive.

You're right, it's pretty simple.

approved motorcycle means the make and model of any motorcycle that—

“(a) - has an engine capacity of 250 cc or less, unless the Agency has prohibited the use of that make and model of motorcycle by notice published on the Agency's Internet site; or

“(b) has an engine capacity of more than 250 cc but not more than 660 cc and a power-to-weight ratio of not more than 150 kilowatts per tonne and is approved for use by the Agency by notice published on the Agency's Internet site

So, it would appear the power/weight restriction is only applied if the bike is over 250cc, ergo; an NS250R falls under (a), as it's under 250 and not specifically prohibited by virtue of being published and most definitely does not fall under (b) as it does not exceed 250cc. IIRC my '87 MC11 was 140kg dry so perhaps 225 with rider and fluids, and 34kW(?) which is 151kW/tonne. Depends what weight rider and how much fuel they use for their calculations I suppose. Chuck a little chap on there with half tank of gas and it could be well over 160kW/tonne.

Assuming, of course, that the mindless automatons enacting this legislation just copy the 'list' from Oz

**FJRider** · 23rd March 2012, 21:04

Originally Posted by yod

So, it would appear the power/weight restriction is only applied if the bike is over 250cc

Assuming, of course, that the mindless automatons enacting this legislation just copy the 'list' from Oz

I would bet money ... any bike that exceeds the power/weight ratio will appear (eventually) on the banned list. Regardless of engine capacity.

Originally Posted by Hailwood

Motorcycles may be added or removed from the approved list at the agencies discretion, at any time, and without consultation.

There lies the key to understanding it all. No arguement or disscussion needed.

Simple really ...

**p.dath** · 24th March 2012, 13:47

Originally Posted by mossy1200

I think from memory calculation is done with 10kg petrol 80kg rider plus bike weight on factory spec weights and power.I cant imagine anyone will ever agree whoes dyno is accurate enough to measure.Motomarts is rear wheel and seems close and Wellington Motorcycles used to be off sprocket so zero rear wheel loss.Im not sure about now it was a few years ago that i have seen it and they may have a new one now.Idd expect there may be 10-20% diff in the results between those 2 alone.Dynos only seem any good to get a pre tune result followed by a after tune result to see the improvements.

If your a motorcycle manufacturer of twin 650s now you may want to underquote your results on factory specs or give rear wheel hp instead of crank hp

The legislation in New Zealand makes no mention of how either the power or weight is measured.

**Kempz44** · 23rd April 2012, 18:16

What is this new law coming about that allows me (restricted rider) to move up to a 660cc? could someone please explain this to me?

cheers guys.

**GingerMidget** · 23rd April 2012, 18:20

LAMS (learner approved motorcycle system) based on the australian system of power to weight.

Its not official yet and nothing from NZTA has given a definite date.

**davereid** · 23rd April 2012, 18:31

LAMS Learner Approved Motorcycle Scheme comes into force on 1 October 2012.

Novice riders will be entitled to ride the following:
a motorcycle with an engine capacity of between 251 cc and 660 cc and a power-to-weight ratio of less than 150 kilowatts per tonne, if the motorcycle is approved by notice on the NZTA's website;
a motorcycle with an engine capacity of 250 cc or less, unless prohibited by notice on the NZTA's website.

**GingerMidget** · 23rd April 2012, 18:38

Originally Posted by davereid

LAMS Learner Approved Motorcycle Scheme comes into force on 1 October 2012.

Novice riders will be entitled to ride the following:
a motorcycle with an engine capacity of between 251 cc and 660 cc and a power-to-weight ratio of less than 150 kilowatts per tonne, if the motorcycle is approved by notice on the NZTA's website;
a motorcycle with an engine capacity of 250 cc or less, unless prohibited by notice on the NZTA's website.

Got a link to that please?