How do you interweb programers do it?

**Scuba_Steve** · 23rd March 2012, 15:05

I have no idea how you guys can stand website design

Last time I played with website design Flash & hit-counters were all the rage. GeoCities (remember them???) was THE place to be, for your free personal site (or AngelFire if you were "Alternative") these were the Facebook's & Twitter's of the day & the options for site design were flash or non-flash

I wasn't to bad at the flash'y & HTML stuff back in the day, but times gone on. Flash is no longer the awesomeness it used to be, HTML has expanded somewhat significantly, many other standards & technologies have entered the interweb market. About the only thing thats remained constant is MS is still shit when it comes to the online domain. How da hell do you guys keep up???

I tried to jump back into doing a website... I'm fucking lost

I guess maybee it's just the decade or so I haven't been playing with it has caught up with me. But fuck, I haven't played with many things in that time & this is pretty much the only one I can't get my head back round.

To the people that actually choose to deal with this, hats off to you

**iYRe** · 23rd March 2012, 15:17

wordpress... (or if you are a bit silly, joommla or drupal )

Thats how they (we - sysadmin not a programmer) do it.

**sil3nt** · 23rd March 2012, 16:54

Yep homos (honda riders i mean) use a prebuilt CMS with whatever shitty theme they can find. Ok they work well in some situations but are overkill for others.

It is still fairly simple to build a site yourself. Back in the day of geocities and angelfire tables and frames were popular to construct the layout. Thankfully this has changed and tables should only be used for displaying data.

If you really wan't to learn then read up http://htmldog.com/

**iYRe** · 23rd March 2012, 17:34

seems like the forementioned homo's, err, honda riders, are on to something, since reinventing the wheel is a retarded thing to do.

(ps, not everyone can code, not everyone is capable of coding, or even have the time to learn).

**mashman** · 23rd March 2012, 17:48

KISS... HTML and javascript is all you need for a site these days... and iffen yer brave enough, you can do it all in notepad

Edity Edit: and CSS.

**Scuba_Steve** · 23rd March 2012, 18:25

Originally Posted by mashman

KISS... HTML and javascript is all you need for a site these days... and iffen yer brave enough, you can do it all in notepad

Edity Edit: and CSS.

Yea never learnt me java or CSS (PHP also seems to be useful for interwebs)
Ah I just gave up & ended up using iWeb (Yea, yea I know

Shutup!) I didn't feel like re-learning that which I've spent 10+ years forgetting as well as the extras just for 1 site.

**bogan** · 23rd March 2012, 18:48

Quick question on similar topic, what language/templates should I use for a site with a few info pages, and shopping cart which requires custom user data (entered by user) for the item, and also has communication (data/image generation/retreival) to methods and a database managed in C#. Maybe not such a quick question then...

**mashman** · 23rd March 2012, 19:13

Originally Posted by Scuba_Steve

Yea never learnt me java or CSS (PHP also seems to be useful for interwebs)
Ah I just gave up & ended up using iWeb (Yea, yea I know

Shutup!) I didn't feel like re-learning that which I've spent 10+ years forgetting as well as the extras just for 1 site.

hee hee... HTML, javascript (not java) and CSS are all you will ever need for the interweb... until you start needing to hook into a database imho.

Originally Posted by bogan

Quick question on similar topic, what language/templates should I use for a site with a few info pages, and shopping cart which requires custom user data (entered by user) for the item, and also has communication (data/image generation/retreival) to methods and a database managed in C#. Maybe not such a quick question then...

for me it'd be MVC 4, WebAPI, EntityFramework with the html rendering on the client with javascript. I recently finished a project with 3rd party database and GUI designers using forms authentication, MVC 3, no WebAPI (next time my pretty), ajax calls to the controllers, EntityFramework (I use a homemade database "reading" model code generator instead of EDMX for more "control" and a lighter app), SQL 2008 and html rendering using javascript/jquery in a "RAD" environment (i.e. when the client wanted something changed, we changed it almost as quickly as they had asked for it). It all went rather well... but I still miss XML and XSLT and have rekindled my love of javascript/jquery. All that was missing were a couple of attributes to deal with cross-site and injection attacks in the controllers.

**bogan** · 23rd March 2012, 19:24

Originally Posted by mashman

for me it'd be MVC 4, WebAPI, EntityFramework with the html rendering on the client with javascript. I recently finished a project with 3rd party database and GUI designers using forms authentication, MVC 3, no WebAPI (next time my pretty), ajax calls to the controllers, EntityFramework (I use a homemade database "reading" model code generator instead of EDMX for more "control" and a lighter app), SQL 2008 and html rendering using javascript/jquery in a "RAD" environment (i.e. when the client wanted something changed, we changed it almost as quickly as they had asked for it). It all went rather well... but I still miss XML and XSLT and have rekindled my love of javascript/jquery. All that was missing were a couple of attributes to deal with cross-site and injection attacks in the controllers.

Fuck, that is a lot of acronyms and shit, maybe I'll just enlist somebody else to do it...

**mashman** · 23rd March 2012, 19:33

Originally Posted by bogan

Fuck, that is a lot of acronyms and shit, maybe I'll just enlist somebody else to do it...

... much easier than it sounds... I highly recommend here... and they also have a shopping cart project (Music Store) that you could "use"

**Scuba_Steve** · 23rd March 2012, 20:09

Originally Posted by mashman

hee hee... HTML, javascript (not java) and CSS are all you will ever need for the interweb... until you start needing to hook into a database imho.

had to search it out, that just shows how much I know about Java & JavaScript.

**mashman** · 23rd March 2012, 21:29

Originally Posted by Scuba_Steve

had to search it out, that just shows how much I know about Java & JavaScript.

shit mate, I'm still hearing about things I've never heard of before and I've been doing this for 15+ years... I hadn't heard of MVC until I left my last serious job and everyone wanted the skills (even though they didn't use them

)... and MVC was in version 3

... was damned easy to pick up though as I was coding in the MVC pattern before the pattern existed

, seemed like a sensible way to do it at the time. The code generator I have used to produce MVC styled objects for asp 1.1 although I had to reflect my own properties (all hail the static class

)... once I heard about MVC 3 it took a day or so to update my code generator to spit out MVC models, views and controllers for razor... fun little project whilst unemployed and I've made good use of it on a couple of projects since. Some day I'll get my A into G and webify it (got a bug or two to fix

). I was gonna put it online 7ish years ago, but there was much football to watch, a new baby in the house and Halo to play

... regrets, I've had a few.

**sil3nt** · 23rd March 2012, 22:00

Originally Posted by mashman

for me it'd be MVC 4, WebAPI, EntityFramework with the html rendering on the client with javascript. I recently finished a project with 3rd party database and GUI designers using forms authentication, MVC 3, no WebAPI (next time my pretty), ajax calls to the controllers, EntityFramework (I use a homemade database "reading" model code generator instead of EDMX for more "control" and a lighter app), SQL 2008 and html rendering using javascript/jquery in a "RAD" environment (i.e. when the client wanted something changed, we changed it almost as quickly as they had asked for it). It all went rather well... but I still miss XML and XSLT and have rekindled my love of javascript/jquery. All that was missing were a couple of attributes to deal with cross-site and injection attacks in the controllers.

lolwut. Biggest bunch of waffle I have ever read.