NOW - New Ordered World

**avgas** · 10th April 2012, 08:19

Hmmm the lack of visual aids means I turned off withing about 25 seconds.
Perhaps its just a monday thing.

As for using dying kids as one.......you will only detract the audience even more.

Likewise hippy images do nothing - if I wanted to save the planet I would kill all the humans.
Therefore later this week I will make you some (after consuming large amounts of coffee and reading said website properly).

Will cost you though. A recommendation/reference etc.
But be warned I am not some fancy artsy person.................my diagrams will make sense. Chuck me an email tonight (farrst*at*gmail) to remind me to relook at the website, and come up with some pretty pictures for ya.

Stew

**MSTRS:Me** · 10th April 2012, 10:19

What an utterly fantastic idea!!!

For the government, that is.

They would increase their control of the population 10, nay, 20-fold. We'd all become virtual slaves, working for our keep. And no resources to leave. Unless we owned property and a foreigner wanted it.

Let's face it. A Green Economy works in microcosm. But that is it. It becomes too unwieldy when trading one product for another, longterm. And how is time 'valued'? Once humans began to organise themselves in urban settings, there was no way to continue the old barter system, other than to put value on each and every thing via some method of transportable (and transferable) wealth exchange. Ie 'money'.

Sorry mate. You want the ultimate Communist state. And they've been working well for their people, eh?

**avgas** · 10th April 2012, 10:48

Originally Posted by MSTRS

What an utterly fantastic idea!!!

For the government, that is.

They would increase their control of the population 10, nay, 20-fold. We'd all become virtual slaves, working for our keep. And no resources to leave. Unless we owned property and a foreigner wanted it.

Let's face it. A Green Economy works in microcosm. But that is it. It becomes too unwieldy when trading one product for another, longterm. And how is time 'valued'? Once humans began to organise themselves in urban settings, there was no way to continue the old barter system, other than to put value on each and every thing via some method of transportable (and transferable) wealth exchange. Ie 'money'.

Sorry mate. You want the ultimate Communist state. And they've been working well for their people, eh?

Shhhhhhh

keep your mouth shut and reap millions from the soon to come bumper sticker business..........

**mashman** · 10th April 2012, 13:07

Originally Posted by MSTRS

What an utterly fantastic idea!!!

For the government, that is.

They would increase their control of the population 10, nay, 20-fold. We'd all become virtual slaves, working for our keep. And no resources to leave. Unless we owned property and a foreigner wanted it.

Let's face it. A Green Economy works in microcosm. But that is it. It becomes too unwieldy when trading one product for another, longterm. And how is time 'valued'? Once humans began to organise themselves in urban settings, there was no way to continue the old barter system, other than to put value on each and every thing via some method of transportable (and transferable) wealth exchange. Ie 'money'.

Sorry mate. You want the ultimate Communist state. And they've been working well for their people, eh?

Increase their control? I'm interested in how that's going to happen? The Government will implement law, the Justice department will ans the justice department is not going to be part of the Government. Just about every law we have will be thrown out and a new one put in its place. I reckon human beings will become freer than they have been in 2000 years. All they have to do is work, very similar to what they currently do but probably working less hours.

Why are people working for their keep? And you reckon that we're not employees/slaves of the country already? Interesting. Time isn't valued. Getting the job done is valued. If it takes 2 hours to clean the sewer each day, then those who clean the sewer only work 2 hours each day. Doctors may have to work longer (depending on how many we have and wether parient numbers drop).

I'm only mentioning Green because that's the efficient long term way to go and the direction that TPTB are wanting to go too, at some point. They're replacing fires with heat pumps n'est pas? The only reason we don't have mass Green technology is because of its cost. That will not be an issue if the local resources are free and wouldn't you rather have a cleaner atmosphere?

@communist... Was society free under communism? Did you get free food from the supermarket? did you have to work to pay? There may well be more differences than you think... then again, you'd obviously need to be thinking first

**mashman** · 10th April 2012, 13:09

Originally Posted by schrodingers cat

At best it could be called elegant. Unfortunately the complexity of things means there is no silver bullet.

I'm gonna have to disagree there. Things are only as complex as we decide to make them and as money hasn;t been able to "solve" poverty and hunger and reduce crime hugely and many other things listed on the Benefits page, and NOW can by removing 1 thing and rejigging a few others, then I'd say it was a Silver Bullet, especially in regards to hunger and poverty. Praps Pewter would be better

**mashman** · 10th April 2012, 13:12

Originally Posted by avgas

Will cost you though. A recommendation/reference etc.
But be warned I am not some fancy artsy person.................my diagrams will make sense. Chuck me an email tonight (farrst*at*gmail) to remind me to relook at the website, and come up with some pretty pictures for ya.

Stew

A recommendation/reference? Could be a bit dodgy knowing you...
Pah, I'm colour deaf as calling my artistic ability colour blind is an insult to the colour blind... anything above that is Gravy. Will drop you a mail later, cheers mate.

**Brett** · 10th April 2012, 13:15

Too much text to read through to get the gist of what the site is about, will lose the audience very quickly. How about some infographics that can link to greater detail etc. Think about some more creative ways that you can disseminate the info you are trying to express. This will also help the site to look less boring. People like pictures and easily digested info. Good luck!

**James Deuce** · 10th April 2012, 13:18

Oh noes! Someone is using the Internet for what it was intended, the free and easy exchange of ideas!

Fucking stop him! Someone organise a DoS attack, fast!

Illegitimum non carborundum;
Domine salvum fac.
Illegitimum non carborundum;
Domine salvum fac.
Gaudeamus igitur!
Veritas non sequitur?
Illegitimum non carborundum—ipso facto!

With thanks to Vinegar Joe.

**Zedder** · 10th April 2012, 16:08

Ffs Mashman, here I was thinkin' you were working on your puns!

But seriously, I had a bit of a read and it's interesting (this type of thing is coming up more and more around the world) but very wordy.

Also, work on the nuts and bolts of implementation and, I'd be inclined to keep the bloody Government right out of the picture.

**MSTRS:Me** · 10th April 2012, 16:43

Originally Posted by mashman

I'm only mentioning Green because that's the efficient long term way to go and the direction that TPTB are wanting to go too, at some point.

Not Green, as in environmentally 'good'. I mean Green Economy - which is essentially barter of goods or services between 2 or more individuals.
I have some carrots. You don't. You have some potatoes. I don't. We trade. But wait - there's more. I want some meat and you have an extra sheep and I can fix that irrigation pump of yours...
Etc.
I see that you don't quite mean that. You intend to do away with cash/choice, whereby the govt supplies all our needs in exchange for a bit of labour here and there. Which is the logical extension of a truly communist system.
Talk about handing ALL the control to TPTB.
What a nightmare...

**SPman** · 10th April 2012, 17:41

Originally Posted by Fatt Max

I believe you need to be congratulated for a thought provoking website that conveys a myriad of ideals, idealism's and various other 'schools' of thought. You have shown yourself to have the guts and motivation to put this out there, small minded tyre kickers and knockers who dont have the balls to do the same can stay by the side of the road.

Well done mate, I will follow this with interest

Wot he said!

(I'm also lazy....)

**mashman** · 10th April 2012, 17:48

Originally Posted by MSTRS

Not Green, as in environmentally 'good'. I mean Green Economy - which is essentially barter of goods or services between 2 or more individuals.
I have some carrots. You don't. You have some potatoes. I don't. We trade. But wait - there's more. I want some meat and you have an extra sheep and I can fix that irrigation pump of yours...
Etc.
I see that you don't quite mean that. You intend to do away with cash/choice, whereby the govt supplies all our needs in exchange for a bit of labour here and there. Which is the logical extension of a truly communist system.
Talk about handing ALL the control to TPTB.
What a nightmare...

nooooooooooo... the government will have no real power, other than complete financial control over the country in regards to imports and exports, abuse of which will lead to VERY lengthy stays in the big hoose. Communities will hold their individual powers. The govt is just there to provide the communication and infrastructure, a glorified facilities department, not set day to day policy (individual bodies will do that), they really will have a lot less "power". NOW will very much rely on personal responsibility

, not nanny state this is what you should do with your time.

I'm not trying to say that we'd do away with choice either, it's simply a matter of everyone pulling together to do what the country needs to have done without the money attached bias/strings/impairment etc... We all currently do the jobs we do, apart from you unemployed slackers

, and we would continues to do so, but instead of getting paid and going out and buying stuff, you get it for free and instead of paying tax/rego/fuel etc... you just work because something needs to be done. With any luck jobs will be shared providing a form of failover, rinse repeat and innovate our little asses off for all of us.