NOW - New Ordered World

[schrodingers cat]

I'm gonna have to disagree there. Things are only as complex as we decide to make them and as money hasn;t been able to "solve" poverty and hunger and reduce crime hugely and many other things listed on the Benefits page, and NOW can by removing 1 thing and rejigging a few others, then I'd say it was a Silver Bullet, especially in regards to hunger and poverty. Praps Pewter would be better

Agree. To disagree.

Chur

[mashman]

Agree. To disagree.

Chur

No ...

Images added, although there are probably better ones, they feel right.

[Spazman727]

I like your idea, but get an editor. In the first 2 paragraphs I noticed at least 2 spelling/grammar mistakes. I know a lot of people now days don't really car about correct spelling as long as you can understand what is being said, but for me it really puts me off as it makes me think that the writer doesn't care enough to get it right. Also, too much text.
It looks like you have put a lot of work into this and it would be a shame for people to switch off for this reason, and for the reason state several times above. Walls of text are not conducive to reading. I read acres of text for uni, and seeing a wall of text really puts me off.

Good luck.

[mashman]

I like your idea, but get an editor. In the first 2 paragraphs I noticed at least 2 spelling/grammar mistakes. I know a lot of people now days don't really car about correct spelling as long as you can understand what is being said, but for me it really puts me off as it makes me think that the writer doesn't care enough to get it right. Also, too much text.
It looks like you have put a lot of work into this and it would be a shame for people to switch off for this reason, and for the reason state several times above. Walls of text are not conducive to reading. I read acres of text for uni, and seeing a wall of text really puts me off.

Good luck.

I gotta say I can't find the smelling pisstakes, even the spellchecker is having trouble with that one. I grant you my grammar sucks, but that isn't going to fix itself by me staring at a page and reading it in exactly the same way time and time again , could you be a little more specific? As for the wall of text, there is very little I can do about that... and there's about as much text on the page as there is on the page of a book, but I do understand that that is a recurring theme... just not sure how to address that really.

Cheers for the feedback

[onearmedbandit]

So gas is free right? And I've got a lot more time on my hands? And access to shared vehicles? So I can just go nuts filling up vehicle after vehicle as much as I like? But of course less than a sewer cleaner because I'm a doctor and have to work longer. But get to play less. And have the same toys.

[jonbuoy]

What if I want to work more than 4 hours a day? What if I want a big garage with a collection of bikes and cars not just a peoples house? What if I don´t want the government to decide what I drive and what house I live in, what food I eat, how often I eat out? If guys in Australia can do it why can´t I? Unless you close the borders you´ll be dealing with a huge brain drain. Nice idea, drop kicks and selfless socialists will love it, the rest will leave on the first flight out.

[Woodman]

Love the idea, but there are issues.

what if i work harder than all the others in my workgroup? does that mean i can get more from the free supermarket? probarbly not so what do i do? My work mates do fuck all and get the same so i will just slack off too. Soon the whole population will realise this is the case so then supervisors will be put in place to make sure we all work to a consistent and acceptable level. And who supervises the supervisors?

Can you see where this is going?

[jonbuoy]

Love the idea, but there are issues.

what if i work harder than all the others in my workgroup? does that mean i can get more from the free supermarket? probarbly not so what do i do? My work mates do fuck all and get the same so i will just slack off too. Soon the whole population will realise this is the case so then supervisors will be put in place to make sure we all work to a consistent and acceptable level. And who supervises the supervisors?

Can you see where this is going?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lada_Samara

[oneofsix]

Love the idea, but there are issues.

what if i work harder than all the others in my workgroup? does that mean i can get more from the free supermarket? probarbly not so what do i do? My work mates do fuck all and get the same so i will just slack off too. Soon the whole population will realise this is the case so then supervisors will be put in place to make sure we all work to a consistent and acceptable level. And who supervises the supervisors?

Can you see where this is going?

Currently if you work harder than others in your workgroup doesn't mean you will get paid more.

[jonbuoy]

Currently if you work harder than others in your workgroup doesn't mean you will get paid more.

Depends on your job, fruit pickers get paid by the kilo, roadworkers can get paid by the meter. Mashman where do self employed people fit in?

[mashman]

So gas is free right? And I've got a lot more time on my hands? And access to shared vehicles? So I can just go nuts filling up vehicle after vehicle as much as I like? But of course less than a sewer cleaner because I'm a doctor and have to work longer. But get to play less. And have the same toys.

Yup gas is free. Yup you have a lot more time on your hands. You have your own vehicle or a "borrowed" vehicle. You can go nuts filling up your vehicle as much as you like. All of those things apply to everyone irrespective of what you do for a living and for how long you decide to do it. You have to work for how long you have to work, bummer, that's your job.

What if I want to work more than 4 hours a day? What if I want a big garage with a collection of bikes and cars not just a peoples house? What if I don´t want the government to decide what I drive and what house I live in, what food I eat, how often I eat out? If guys in Australia can do it why can´t I? Unless you close the borders you´ll be dealing with a huge brain drain. Nice idea, drop kicks and selfless socialists will love it, the rest will leave on the first flight out.

Depends on your job, fruit pickers get paid by the kilo, roadworkers can get paid by the meter. Mashman where do self employed people fit in?

The choice over how long you have to work isn't necessarily just yours. It's a sort of job share where the more people there are that have your skills to do the required tasks, the less you will probably have to work. So if a job requires 10 hours per day to complete, if there are 5 of you doing that job, you'll only have to work 2 hours each. If you can acquire the items for your collection (individual trade perhaps), then that's entirely up to you to build a garage (or find someone to extend it for you).

The Government will have absolutely no say in what you drive or what you live in, they can only highlight the lack of resource available to obtain the items you require. Food will be exactly the same as we have, although we may cut down on shite imports, but in the short term little will truly change other than some of your wants. If people still want to be chefs and still want to open restaurants, then there will be places to eat and for free too, same with fashion and shopping etc... You'll be more than welcome to leave should you choose to want to be like an Aussie . There may be some brain drain, but undoubtedly there will be a massive brain influx. I say that because research and development will be free from the budget constraints that hamper science. So I disagree that the brain drain will mean the loss of brains.

We will all be self employed essentially.

Love the idea, but there are issues.

what if i work harder than all the others in my workgroup? does that mean i can get more from the free supermarket? probarbly not so what do i do? My work mates do fuck all and get the same so i will just slack off too. Soon the whole population will realise this is the case so then supervisors will be put in place to make sure we all work to a consistent and acceptable level. And who supervises the supervisors?

Can you see where this is going?

If you work harder, you work harder. I was working last Friday and Monday, sometimes it's part of my job. The amount of time you put in doesn't entitle you to anything extra as all of our effort is pretty much as valuable as each others. If you value other people's contributuions less than your own, I'm sure we'll be able to reinstate some form of electro shock therapy to stop people from being such uppity twats, praprs we'll educate them instead... Can you see where I'm going with that?

If we all decide to do feck all, then things don't get done... but at least people will be fed and housed without the worrying where the $$$ is coming from. As mentioned elsewhere, people are going to have to be trusted to do the right thing. If it doesn't work, then reinstate the monetary system and see how they prefer that option.

[Taz]

Right I've finally had enough time to read it all. It requires a huge mind shift and I am still digesting some of it. It sounds simple and workable. How would greed and ambition affect it? Lots to think about here.

[jonbuoy]

So the more people that share your job the less you have to work? Doesn´t sound fair on the doctors, surgeons, scientists etc.... Your running a bartering system as well? That will turn into a black market with a foreign currency like usd used as an easy way to trade, basically you´ve created Russia before the fall of the wall. Some people do contribute more to society than others, its not uppity its reality. NZ and the world doesn´t need more manual labour, it needs more skilled labour and a world population about half of what we have now.

[mashman]

Right I've finally had enough time to read it all. It requires a huge mind shift and I am still digesting some of it. It sounds simple and workable. How would greed and ambition affect it? Lots to think about here.

I dunno about it taking such a large shift in state of mind, primarily because I have explained it to a few people and they get the idea and would happily live in that type of society. Nothing really changes in the short term other than there not being any money... but that's only going on what 20ish people have said. What sort of greed do you envisage? Ambition is very much a requirement for a forward thinking society. We can always improve? There just won't be any room for financial ambition and whilst that is the current driving force (granted not wholly), having the best person for the job (i.e. those who have ambition for it) would be a great thing. I'm not worried about someone being better than me coming in and taking my job, or at least I wouldn't be if money wasn't an issue.

So the more people that share your job the less you have to work? Doesn´t sound fair on the doctors, surgeons, scientists etc.... Your running a bartering system as well? That will turn into a black market with a foreign currency like usd used as an easy way to trade, basically you´ve created Russia before the fall of the wall. Some people do contribute more to society than others, its not uppity its reality. NZ and the world doesn´t need more manual labour, it needs more skilled labour and a world population about half of what we have now.

Plenty of kids want to grow up to be doctors, nurses, surgeons, scientists etc... praps there will be enough doctors etc... that the "unfairness" becomes almost negligible. I'd be happy working 4 hours a day even if there were enough of us to do the job 10 times over and I doubt I'm the only person that, sometimes, actually enjoys working and being productive with their time. No barter system, but if 2 people want to swap things, there isn't going to be a law that bans bartering/swapping "their" items (another personal choice), but granted that won't stop there being a black market where one would be successful, although I can't see where one might exist? The uppity was a joke, as you say some people do do more than their "fair share", but that's a personal choice... however expecting "more" because you perceive that you have put more in is only going to be recognised by those who give a shit and how would you decide who was worth more? Much easier to say thanks for the extra time and move on?

Agreed on the labour. Making maximum use of the available tech and educating the current generation in how to use it etc... would likely see skilled labour rise. We'll still need skilled labour, just because we can implement tech to replace manual labour doesn't mean that it's a sensible use of resources. It'd be good to have manual labour skilled in the tasks that the tech produces so that should the tech break, production doesn't just stop, it potentially just slows down... a bit like having a diesel generator for a gas powered plant.

[Taz]

I was mainly referring to my mind . Can't vouch for anyone else.... lol