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[SimJen]

When the English came to NZ the Maori was lucky to have not been wiped out. If it had been the Spanish then it would have been a slaughter and we would not be arguing these points. People have to move on, they may have been ripped off but that was a choice made at the time by their cultural leaders many years ago.......just the same way Labour gives us taxpayers no choice with how they spend our money.
Times change. Im not racist, but if I chose to be it would be my right as a human being. As it is everyones right to not care about the Maori language or the Maoris plight if they choose to. I don't care for Harleys and nothing will change my mind

[Lou Girardin]

For God's sake, now we're getting into Post Colonial Trauma Syndrome.
If the Maoris think they have it bad, go and talk to American Indians, South American Indians, anyone ruled by the Spaniards or, to a degree, the French.
THERE WAS NO HOLOCAUST IN TARANAKI.

[Quasievil]

Sorry, didn't realise that was you in the tutu with breast augmentation

Im not sure mate but Im thinking you have a attitude to some New Zealanders which is sad.
I think alot of people are only to keen and eager to maori bash and I think its a pity because youre missing out. I think that perhaps you have not traveled much either or been involved in any other race outside your own. Im not going to have a slaging match but I do pity you sorry arse

[curious george]

Another thought I just had... the National Anthem.
Makes my skincrawl.
Can't stand it, the words are like fingernails down a blackboard.
The Maori version however, is an auditory delight!
I don't understand all the words, (cant remember the 3rd or 4th verse of the english one either), but it sounds sooo much better.
How about we drop the English version altogether and just go Maori?
None of this 1/2 and 1/2 crap either....
Somebody else started the flag thing, but I still haven't seen a better design, so that can stay.
Any problems?

[madboy]

I think alot of people are only to keen and eager to maori bash and I think its a pity because youre missing out.

Many Maori I know are nice perfectly normal human beings. And most of them irrespective of skin pigmentation think pretty much the same way I do.

I think the issue lies in how society at present is responding to the Maori by overcompensating in many ways. It's awfully easy to bash an entire ethnicity when their "leaders" stand up in a public forum and claim my great great great great granddad's 4th cousin twice removed f***ed them on a land deal, so now it's time that I paid up. That's not going to do anything but stimulate racism and intolerance.

If you look at human psychology, people who look at the past don't have much of a future. Time to move on.

[oldfart]

Im not sure mate but Im thinking you have a attitude to some New Zealanders which is sad.
I think alot of people are only to keen and eager to maori bash and I think its a pity because youre missing out. I think that perhaps you have not traveled much either or been involved in any other race outside your own. Im not going to have a slaging match but I do pity you sorry arse

Gosh old chap, didn't know you knew me so well from just a couple of post. You should be able to divine winning lotto tickets with skills you display. If you know kk ask him to give me a charater reference before making such profound judgements on so little

[curious george]

Fair kicked their ass if my schoolboy history serves me correctly....
Only reason the Moriori don't complain is they got completly done over. And then eaten.

[Quasievil]

Gosh old chap, didn't know you knew me so well from just a couple of post. You should be able to divine winning lotto tickets with skills you display. If you know kk ask him to give me a charater reference before making such profound judgements on so little

perhaps if you werent so closed minded about other cultures and races it might make you an person interesting enough to go to the trouble of knowing

[oldfart]

perhaps if you werent so closed minded about other cultures and races it might make you an person interesting enough to go to the trouble of knowing

From your comments I can only deduce that you have not read my comments & thought about them with an open mind. My points were

1/ I endorse people who wish to study Maori language, ballet, swahili ,what ever as long as I'm not expected to pay for it & don't have pushed down my throat.

2/ As I don't expect the country to pay for my interest which is m/cycles, I don't expect to pay for this cultural interest of others.

3/ The Maori were right royaly reemed by my ancestors. In context of the times, this was the norm & was no less or more then what the Maori themselves were doing to fellow tribes. Does this mean that every race/culture should recompense every other culture that has been farked over in history & if so how far back do you go.

[Quasievil]

From your comments I can only deduce that you have not read my comments & thought about them with an open mind. My points were

1/ I endorse people who wish to study Maori language, ballet, swahili ,what ever as long as I'm not expected to pay for it & don't have pushed down my throat.

2/ As I don't expect the country to pay for my interest which is m/cycles, I don't expect to pay for this cultural interest of others.

3/ The Maori were right royaly reemed by my ancestors. In context of the times, this was the norm & was no less or more then what the Maori themselves were doing to fellow tribes. Does this mean that every race/culture should recompense every other culture that has been farked over in history & if so how far back do you go.

I have a very open mind actually

re 1/ the tone of that makes me think you find it offensive.

re 2/ I believe the government has a role to play in funding cultural activities, weather its the orchestra, or a young musicians video Ie NZ on Air, I have no problem with tax dollars also going to other cultures activities, particulary if they are of National significance, like Maori language.

re 3/ In some cases absolutely, particulary when the government right royaly reemed the Maori (NZ citizens) in very recent times.
Many claims etc are very very justly deserved. its just an attitude develops by the ignorant and the racists of this country.And that is sad.

[oldfart]

I have a very open mind actually

re 1/ the tone of that makes me think you find it offensive.

re 2/ I believe the government has a role to play in funding cultural activities, weather its the orchestra, or a young musicians video Ie NZ on Air, I have no problem with tax dollars also going to other cultures activities, particulary if they are of National significance, like Maori language.

re 3/ In some cases absolutely, particulary when the government right royaly reemed the Maori (NZ citizens) in very recent times.
Many claims etc are very very justly deserved. its just an attitude develops by the ignorant and the racists of this country.And that is sad.

And I accept that you have a different view point to me. One of the great things about democracy is we all get to vote for a political party that we believe is most likely represent our ideology. It saddens me that you use this forumn to abuse me & use personal slurs to try to make your veiwpoint as being superior or better than mine. I have not enjoyed my 1st social engagement with you at all.

[curious george]

2/ As I don't expect the country to pay for my interest which is m/cycles, I don't expect to pay for this cultural interest of others.

Just wee point, but I (we) do pay for your Motorcycling stuff.
If you were to crash, you will get treated for free in hospital, and we will pay you a wage while you get better.

If we were to invoke a rule baning Motorcycles, we (the tax payer) would save millions and millions.
Of course, we would also ban smoking, rugby and everything not played in cotton wool, but you get my drift..

[Lou Girardin]

Just wee point, but I (we) do pay for your Motorcycling stuff.
If you were to crash, you will get treated for free in hospital, and we will pay you a wage while you get better.

If we were to invoke a rule baning Motorcycles, we (the tax payer) would save millions and millions.
Of course, we would also ban smoking, rugby and everything not played in cotton wool, but you get my drift..

We are actually subsidising the car drivers that cause the majority of bike bins. In other countries they or their insurance companies would be paying.

[SimJen]

I have a very open mind actually
re 3/ In some cases absolutely, particulary when the government right royaly reemed the Maori (NZ citizens) in very recent times.
Many claims etc are very very justly deserved. its just an attitude develops by the ignorant and the racists of this country.And that is sad.

Trouble is why should a people that is not truly indigenous have rights to land they took from someone else.... Racism doesn't come into its just not right.
If it was the American Indians or the Aboriginies then it would be different, but Maoris tell us they came from somewhere else yet they still believe they have the right to it.
People always use the "Racist" term to attack anybody that goes against their views and in most cases it will stop an argument dead in its tracks.

[kerryg]

This is good site to have a look at

www.treatyofwaitangi.govt.nz

There are different interpretations of tino rangatiratanga and governance and sovereignty etc as we all know but IMHO some things are really plain even to a layman: the Treaty was intended to establish a system of law and order, in large part to avoid conflicts arising from the aggressive accquisition of land by British immigrants and commercial interests (eg the NZ Company) in the absence of a proper system of law. Read the Treaty. It's set out plainly there.

It was not something imposed by the conquering British on the Maori, the Maori were NOT a conquered race, and in fact the number of non-Maori in NZ at that time was quite small (sealers and whalers mostly as I understand it, partying up large in Kororareka), so it is wrong to think of the Treaty of Waitangi on the same context as (say) the Treaty of Versailles which was something imposed on a defeated Germany.

NZ didn't belong to the British by virtue of conquest. There was no conquest. Maori and Pakeha stood equal when the Treaty was signed. The Maori didn't "give ownership" of NZ to the British, however you interpret the Treaty. I don't believe that point is in dispute, and it's an important point.

To compare the British in NZ to the Spanish in South America, for example, is to confuse conquest (the Spanish case) with something altogether different i.e. an agreement to be governed by one system of law (the Maori/Pakeha case)