Riders should not slide off the seat when you have a pillion ...Originally Posted by Juniper
If you're a rider and you have a pillion it's best not to go fast enough to have to slide off the seat .. ...
Anarchic Wild Child
Riders should not slide off the seat when you have a pillion ...
If you're a rider and you have a pillion it's best not to go fast enough to have to slide off the seat .. ...
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ruddy bastard
Pillions usually work best when they weigh much much less than the rider...
So either loose some weight or get your rider to eat some pies and that should sort that out!
Hardcore Biker
^^^^^^^^^ that
Hardcore Biker
^^^^^^^ & that
Meow
Why not?
2up riding for us is the same as others 1up. You push limits just a little bit each time till you become better.
People who push too hard fall off.
Just takes us a little longer and takes more work as there is a trust, communication and synchronisation that needs to be learnt/formed as well.
There are track racing pillions and riders out there. They all started off at some point.
We're not being reckless, we practice slow speed when we can, hit the open road a few times a week and stop for assessment of style and methods on every trip. And have forms of communication while riding like slow down, yes ive seen that over take I'm ready let's do it or yeah fuck that, go left/right.
That's why I'm asking for pillion techniques. Rider tips would be interesting too.
What's the point in living if you don't feel alive?
Toying with ones mortality shouldn't be this much fun.
Meow
Haha ok we're fucked!!!
What's the point in living if you don't feel alive?
Toying with ones mortality shouldn't be this much fun.
Best Frenemy you could have!
Moving around on a bike can unsettle it. Two people moving around is even worse. Stability and smoothness is your primary focus. Getting a knee down on the racetrack is for feeling how low the bike is to the ground... On the road you shouldn't be trying for that. You can put it out for balance, but if you're sitting in the middle of the bike, there really isn't a point.
Don't push any limits on the road. You already seem to know why, yet still ask
Where have you seen a racing series of pillions? It might be for fun in buckets, but that's about it. No, there is no practise. All that commercial stuff is pillion, hang on here and here, the rider will do the rest. Sidecars not included.
Once the pillion has the riding skills sorted, the number one tip is don't fall asleep unless the bike is setup for it (top box etc). You might think I'm joking, but I'm not. I remember taking 4-5 attempts to pass a car dawdling along straights at 80kph on a sportsbike, because the pillion was asleep and each time I tried to open the throttle she drifted backwards enough for me to worry.
The rider's responsibility is to ride smoothly and safely and create a friendly trusting environment for the pillion to also enjoy the ride. Remember that the bike is most unstable at lower speeds and gets more stable as you head towards 100kph.
I've carried people 50kg to 140kg, sportsbikes to cruisers, and in competitive events, like media standing up, hanging from one side then suddenly the other side and getting through tight spaces etc.
NEDWN VIII
I hate that grab around the waist thing, Anne sometimes does the cuddle thing but not as a preference for hanging on. No real need to hang on at all if the rider is doing the job. Under braking, hands on the tank.
Once you are on the rear seat, you become part of the bike, don't try and ride it from that position...iykwim
Hardcore Biker
Weight is also another factor in this equation as well .
Your Weight
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Riders weight
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Bike weight
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A lot of weight to be chucking about .... for shits n giggles somehow go strap 85kg to the arse of your bike & go ride it ... you cant tell me that you can throw it around with as much ease as you can when you are 1up ...
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Yup, last time I had a pillion it was on the KR-E, which has a center mass somewhere round my lower shins, since it also has a raised pillion seat, the difference with an extra 70kg up there was huge.
Seems to me the first thing on a pillion oriented bike's list should be a trip to RT.
Total Performance Riding or some similar name by Lee Park has a fairly detailed section on pillioning, and he has done a bit at the track and there may be a pillion racing series over in US. Recommend you get your hands on a copy of that Juniper.
"A shark on whiskey is mighty risky, but a shark on beer is a beer engineer" - Tad Ghostal
Best Frenemy you could have!
On that note, good point. Depending on the bike (not mentioned) sportsbikes for example, are setup for 65-75kg odd. No way that's going to work for 2up properly.
I can actually put a good plug for Rob here. The GSA has a set of electronic ohlins fitted, fantastic for 2up work with 2up mode dialled in. Even had cycling officials commenting on how smooth and planted it was when we're hitting 100kph on closed suburban roads...
ruddy bastard
To be fair, she was looking for tips on how to improve her Pillion riding technique, not looking for instructions on how to become as fast as 1up ...
Hardcore Biker
RT being Robert Taylor btw
Meow
Katana
At work so will reply properly to posts later.
What's the point in living if you don't feel alive?
Toying with ones mortality shouldn't be this much fun.
NEDWN VIII
You have to be more fluent than when you're riding solo, that's a given. Be mindful that there is that extra weight on the back. A smaller bike will feel different with an extra 70+kgs, and if that person is not familiar with their roll as a pillion, then the bike could feel like a sack of shit. Rear suspension adjustment is a must, brake earlier than usual, don't be jerky through the gears (helmet clash is not good) the technique list is very small and the experience shouldn't be of concern.
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