The *****wit cyclist thread

[North island falcon]

Shit, if only farmers and off roaders paid their share of ACC for farm bike and motorcross accidents, then suddenly us road motorcyclists wouldn't look so bad .....

Farmers who employ staff pay very high ACC levies on behalf of their staff and self employed farmers pay massive ACC levies (over $8000 this year for me).

[Zedder]

Unfortunatly, I don't, but they really couldn't get any more money off me if they try so let them go for it. The government always has you by the balls, thats all they're here for.

But what I propose is a Tax-per-person scheme rather than tax-per-vehicle, allowing you to have multiple vehicles and not pay (much) extra and that would make it easier to hold cyclists accountable for their actions without requiring every bike out there to be registered.

We would still get raped for riding Motorcycles (those who don't ride will always see them as extremely dangerous) but only once, and if you raise the tax level for people who crash often or drink drive or have 100 kids and down for volunteer work, good driving record, clean medical history etc, etc. Eventually those of us that don't cost society much as far as actual dollars would wind up paying less (yea I know I'm daydreaming)

you'd think someone would have found a way to avoid tax by now, how do you go about declaring a soverign nation lol

It's the old story alright, Government is supposedly here to serve the people (in a democracy) but all too often they get very off track.

We're already on a tax-per-person basis but they just keep coming up with more categories to tax us on personally.

A massive EMP event that would destroy all electronic records and abilty to create them is probably the only real answer because voting certainly doesn't work.

[SimJen]

Its the casual off roaders that cost ACC so much. The guys that do half a dozen rides a year and break bones half a dozen times a year
ACC should be on a per person basis, you should list your hobbies, motorcycling/skydiving etc and should only be able to make claims for injuries caused doing your listed hobbies! This way you are paying for your personal ACC insurance! Items outside these might be covered but with a corresponding hike in your levies for the following year?

[oneofsix]

It's the old story alright, Government is supposedly here to serve the people (in a democracy) but all too often they get very off track.

government for the people, by the people etc etc. You must be joking.
Sorry but I tend to agree with this guy

He sees one of the problems of modern leadership as attracting people like David Cameron in Britain "Eton and Oxford, into the Tory research unit and into Parliament. In the 1950s when I was in the Press gallery in Wellington there were farmers, teachers, waterside workers and miners. They'd all been hungry ... if you look at the House now it's essentially middle class or upper-middle class with a sense of entitlement.

And given he quotes the English PM as well he isn't just talking about NZ though he does sum us up with

Under such politicians, McLauchlan believes, New Zealand has become "a broken country, and no-one wants to fix it". And New Zealanders have lapsed "into a lack of passion bordering on inertness". If a New Zealander feels a bout of passion coming on, "he goes and paints a roof".

Particularly the bit about painting the roof, I guess with us its go for a ride.

[Zedder]

government for the people, by the people etc etc. You must be joking.
Sorry but I tend to agree with this guy


And given he quotes the English PM as well he isn't just talking about NZ though he does sum us up with

Particularly the bit about painting the roof, I guess with us its go for a ride.

I bypassed joking and went to sarcasm: "supposedly etc".

However, there's certainly a different breed (loose terminology) in Parliament these days and more's the pity.

As for "go for a ride" don't forget: Or putting rego on hold or not paying it, which at least is something.

[oneofsix]

I bypassed joking and went to sarcasm: "supposedly etc".

However, there's certainly a different breed (loose terminology) in Parliament these days and more's the pity.

As for "go for a ride" don't forget: Or putting rego on hold or not paying it, which at least is something.

Rego on hold; passive, silent protest. Yes better than nothing but easily ignored. Then again the current crop are so self entitled and self important that they ignore everything that doesn't personally threaten them.

[5150]

Farmers who employ staff pay very high ACC levies on behalf of their staff and self employed farmers pay massive ACC levies (over $8000 this year for me).

No different to any other employer or self employed person. What are you getting at?

[Zedder]

Rego on hold; passive, silent protest. Yes better than nothing but easily ignored. Then again the current crop are so self entitled and self important that they ignore everything that doesn't personally threaten them.

But that's "the game", people are going to alternatives that are within their power. I know plenty of who have stopped paying rego, started going to accountants, working for cash only etc and good on them.

[5150]

Further developments with the lycra clad sausage jockey in CHCH assult case

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crim...-biker-assault

Oh well, looks like someone will have their mountain bike confiscated for throwing a tantrum

[SimJen]

just petty, further reinforces the fact that cyclists are ghey!
what happened to sorting stuff out ourselves without cops being involved?
I would have happily joined in fisticuffs if it was me!

[North island falcon]

No different to any other employer or self employed person. What are you getting at?

The previous statement that "if only farmers contributed to ACC" is what I am getting at. They do.

[Asher]

I like the method I heard was employed by a DOC ranger, remove the chain.

DOC workers are carrying chain breakers now?
It would be nice if registration changed so you only got charged for your highest levied vehicle, means people could own more than one vehicle without the Government raping them.

[Mushu]

Its the casual off roaders that cost ACC so much. The guys that do half a dozen rides a year and break bones half a dozen times a year
ACC should be on a per person basis, you should list your hobbies, motorcycling/skydiving etc and should only be able to make claims for injuries caused doing your listed hobbies! This way you are paying for your personal ACC insurance! Items outside these might be covered but with a corresponding hike in your levies for the following year?

My point exactly, but only small hikes in levies for each "dangerous" activity but substantial hikes after hospital visits that way those of us that can operate a trail bike and stack every now and then (everyone comes off occasionally) wont be lumped in with these guys that can't ride and think there Crusty Demons or whatever. Basicly if someone is at the hospital once a month because of injury (and not illness) then I think their ACC levies should be far higher than someone like myself that has never in my life been admitted to hospital.

Some people are too stupid for society, why should I have to pay extra cos some asshole doesn't understand how to keep themselves safe. I believe we are breeding these people and they will become more and more common as a result of society removing all the ways they can kill themselves along the way, OSH and medical science have gone too far and ruled out Darwinism and it costs the rest of us to look after these idiots

[5150]

The previous statement that "if only farmers contributed to ACC" is what I am getting at. They do.

My previous, previous statment was refering to all offroad motorcycles including farm quads and mx type bikes.

[jasonu]

. I am intending to write a letter to the Police commisioner describing the incident and asking for his view on the cyclling and their policing matters. So watch this space

I'm sure that will make all the difference...