If a tree fell in the forest...

**sAsLEX** · 28th July 2005, 13:39

Originally Posted by kerryg

Hence, no observer, no sound. That's the answer according to metaphysical idealism...

your in a room with four walls of green red brown and blue spaced around in that order, room is square. You are looking at the wall directly in front of you and it is red. What is the colour of the wall behind you?

well since you cant observe the wall it must have no colour. Dumb metaphsics is rubbish

**Waylander** · 28th July 2005, 14:35

Originally Posted by sAsLEX

well since you cant observe the wall it must have no colour. Dumb metaphsics is rubbish

Just had to ruin it for me... Was all set to say blue and then you have to go and get phylisophical about it...

**mstriumph** · 28th July 2005, 15:19

... i wish i'd said that .....on second thoughts, mebbe not

Originally Posted by Paul in NZ

2 cows are in a paddock and one falls.... Regardless of where there is anyone near, it is not (a) herd.

Paul N (as deep as a..

**kerryg** · 28th July 2005, 15:41

Originally Posted by sAsLEX

Dumb metaphsics is rubbish

Yeah well I'm not much into it myself either but I am fascinated by some of the scientific stuff surrounding quantum physics (unfortunately handicapped in my ability to understand it AT ALL due mainly I suppose to ...stupidity).

Mainstream cosmological science now encompasses stuff that really bends the mind. It is kind of metaphysical stuff, but it's real science. Try googling subjects like the Big Bang or Quantum Jump.Dark matter. Anti-matter. Space-time continuum.

Our old ways of understanding things just don't cut the mustard.

"There's more to heaven and earth..." as that fulla said.

**sAsLEX** · 28th July 2005, 16:11

Originally Posted by kerryg

Yeah well I'm not much into it myself either but I am fascinated by some of the scientific stuff surrounding quantum physics (unfortunately handicapped in my ability to understand it AT ALL due mainly I suppose to ...stupidity).

Mainstream cosmological science now encompasses stuff that really bends the mind. It is kind of metaphysical stuff, but it's real science. Try googling subjects like the Big Bang or Quantum Jump.Dark matter. Anti-matter. Space-time continuum.

Our old ways of understanding things just don't cut the mustard.

"There's more to heaven and earth..." as that fulla said.

or read in a nutshell by the wheel chair genius

on another matter I like the explanation of multiple universes/realities through the diffraction patterns of electrons through a thin slot, wether they are fired constanly or singularly they act the same, suggesting that when they are there on there own something is effecting them which could be in another reality.

**kerryg** · 28th July 2005, 16:37

Originally Posted by sAsLEX

on another matter I like the explanation of multiple universes/realities through the diffraction patterns of electrons through a thin slot, wether they are fired constanly or singularly they act the same, suggesting that when they are there on there own something is effecting them which could be in another reality.

Well...this could take a while......

Na, just joking. I'm the wrong guy to attempt it.

But that is the wave-particle duality thing. It is apparently not understood, but can be demonstrated experimentally in the photo-electric effect experiment you are (probably) talking about. One source I referred to said about it "one of the most fundamental principles of science seems to be mocked by these results: the notion that we are dealing with, and can know the details of, the objective world". I thought that was kinda cool. Comes back to the tree in the forest, eh?

But I'm no scientist, and am just repeating parrot-fashion what I've read and only partially understood.

**ZorsT** · 28th July 2005, 17:10

Mr H...

WHAT HAVE YOU STARTED?

**unhingedlizard** · 28th July 2005, 17:20

if I whisper sweet nothings into a womans ear, and it turns out she is deaf,

is the court order still valid?

**mstriumph** · 28th July 2005, 19:41

He's just having a really good time!

Originally Posted by GoodAndSuchLike

Mr H...

WHAT HAVE YOU STARTED?

**WINJA** · 28th July 2005, 19:47

THIS REMINDS ME OF WHAT MY FRIEND ONCE SAID , WE HAD A DEREGISTERED DATSUN 120Y PAINTED LIKE THE GENERAL LEE , WE USED TO BREAK INTO FORESTRY ROADS TO RACE IT AROUND , I SAID TO HIM WILL WE GET INTO TROUBLE HE SAID IF A DATSUN IS RACING THRU THE FOREST AND NO ONE IS THERE TO HEAR IT DID IT ACTUALLY HAPPEN , RIP

**SPman** · 28th July 2005, 21:33

Originally Posted by Bartman10

...Oh and kill the friggen cat will ya, before it pisses on the carpet.

or could it????

Aaaah quantum theory.....where something is there or its not, is something or something else, here or there or everywhere, is or isnt.........
A bit like the KB site!

**Artifice** · 28th July 2005, 21:51

well, the cat theory falls apart when the dead zombie cat eats the brains of the live cat and that one becomes a zombie cat also and then they start a plague of scientist hating quantum zombie cats.

**Virago** · 28th July 2005, 23:07

Originally Posted by sAsLEX

or read in a nutshell by the wheel chair genius

on another matter I like the explanation of multiple universes/realities through the diffraction patterns of electrons through a thin slot, wether they are fired constanly or singularly they act the same, suggesting that when they are there on there own something is effecting them which could be in another reality.

.........42?