Sue Bradfords Anti-Spanking Bill

[Keystone19]

This bill will have absolutely no effect on any of this. Do speeding laws stop speeding? Did prohibition stop drinking?
Child bashers will remain child bashers.
The difference is that good parents will have one more thing to fear.
Like I first said, a hysterical over-reaction to one juries strange decision.
Juries also bring in not guilty verdicts if they consider a defendant insane. Shall we do away with this defence too?

You're right. Changing the law will do nothing to change poor parenting skills. Those who are already probably pretty good parents will be the only ones who stop to think about it.

What is needed is the development of a decent parenting skills programme. There are plenty of good examples around, they are just not in the right places. Secondary school is possibly the place where they should be. If parents are unable to teach their kids parenting skills then someone should.

New Zealand is a signatory to the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child which categorically states that there should be no physical violence against children in any form including smacking. If the law is not repealed then we should not be a signatory. At the moment it is pure hypocrisy to be a signatory but continue to allow 'reasonable force' against our children.

[ManDownUnder]

New Zealand is a signatory to the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child which categorically states that there should be no physical violence against children in any form including smacking. If the law is not repealed then we should not be a signatory. At the moment it is pure hypocrisy to be a signatory but continue to allow 'reasonable force' against our children.

A good point - twink anyone?

Just as well it's not the yanks... I believe they used resonable force in Afghanistan, then again in Iraq...

[mstriumph]

..... erm ...."He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. When you gaze long into the abyss, the abyss also gazes into you." ???

................ So long as they are not currently on my doorstep they can twist up their little insides and littler brains with spite and venom and die alone without friends years from now because they failed to heed Nietsche. (And green bling for the first person to tell me the relevant quote)

[yungatart]

I for one will not stop smacking my kids (well maybe, they range in age from 30 down to 14 and all are bigger than me but if they weren't), if they are seriously out of line and need a smack then that is what they will get- IMO sometimes they ask for it so they should get it. How is this supposed to be policed anyway? A cop in every home 24/7 or maybe a social worker/ Cypfs employee- yeah right ! We have plenty of them to go around every house in the country, eh? Nobody ever died from a swift smack on the butt cheeks and nobody ever will! It is definitely NOT child abuse, in fact those parents who choose NOT to discilpine their kids are the ones who are abusive.

[James Deuce]

You're right. Changing the law will do nothing to change poor parenting skills. Those who are already probably pretty good parents will be the only ones who stop to think about it.

What is needed is the development of a decent parenting skills programme. There are plenty of good examples around, they are just not in the right places. Secondary school is possibly the place where they should be. If parents are unable to teach their kids parenting skills then someone should.

New Zealand is a signatory to the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child which categorically states that there should be no physical violence against children in any form including smacking. If the law is not repealed then we should not be a signatory. At the moment it is pure hypocrisy to be a signatory but continue to allow 'reasonable force' against our children.

OoooOOo We don;t follow a UN convention. OooOOO

I really, really scared.

How many UN conventions have been conveniently ignored by signatories of the said conventions? Nations whose political, economic, and military might dwarf our own? The UN is a bloated farce, a parody of a brilliant idea.

Who cares?

[Keystone19]

OoooOOo We don;t follow a UN convention. OooOOO

I really, really scared.

How many UN conventions have been conveniently ignored by signatories of the said conventions? Nations whose political, economic, and military might dwarf our own? The UN is a bloated farce, a parody of a brilliant idea.

Who cares?

Yeah, that's my point kind of. Why sign it if we aren't going to abide by it. Bunch of hypocrits. (I might add that it was signed under the last National Government)

[mstriumph]

Perhaps we could all line up outside the beehive and chant this in unison?? [ok - we'd have to tart it up a bit - spin-doctor anybody??] ..... because she's dead right, turning an undisciplined kid out into the world is bad parenting, surely?

I.................. It is definitely NOT child abuse, in fact those parents who choose NOT to discilpine their kids are the ones who are abusive.

[Marknz]

she's just jealous 'cause she is so butt ugly and no-one will give her a good spanking... spoiling the fun for everyone.

[Rincewind]

If you take the comments made by the cross section of intelligent people who subscribe to this forum about this subject,it is plainly clear that the Lunatics should be runnin the asylum,(That's how we are percived by the "great washed" isn't it?)
Anyway we should form our own party,run it as a coalition, make our own laws and get rid of "P.C. shite" (whoever he is ??)

P.S. I Love children (Couldn't eat a whole one though)!!!

[FROSTY:Me]

Well I smack baby bikie.I explain to him why Im going to do it and that it is going to hurt.It is one of the punishments used -along with time out,loss of privilages and other things
funny thing is what scares baby bikie the most is daddy headin off on a ride without him --

[soundbeltfarm]

i have 2 boys and they get disiplined with a smack or timeout.
we find timeout does work to a point but when they get a crack around the arse they soon learn from it.
im totally against child abuse like everyone here is.
but what do you term abuse?
teachers have no respect from students anymore because they cant disipline them and also their parents dont either.
some of my teachers i was shit scared of, i was one of the last to get the cane at our school in the 90s and the teacher who gave it to me i think i grew to respect the most. because there were no interuptions from kids being fuckwits, so we were learning skills and life skills.
kids dont seem to care about resposibility anymore because no one is allowed to disipline them and the blame gets passed onto somone else.
in my opinion youth aid is the biggest crock of shit, kids get referred to youth aid for doing a crime and they get fuck all punishment.
it all stems from the home and if parents or caregivers cant disipline with force ie: a smack not a fucking hiding..
this country will turn into a bunch of people no wanting to take resposibilty for their actions and they know they wont get fuck all reaction for it.
my old belted my arse and i think i respect them the more for it.
my sister dosn't smack her kids and they are little cunts.
i dont think a kid needs a smack for everything they do wrong but i think we should be allowed to use it.
and heaven help a cyfs worker who comes here to tell me what im doing wrong.
i'll just get my kids to belt the fucker because nothing will happen to them. hahah
not true.
not sure what i'd do, think i would crap pants then get pretty angry.
anyway thats my 2 cents probably dosn't make sense.

[SixPackBack]

Well I smack baby bikie.I explain to him why Im going to do it and that it is going to hurt.It is one of the punishments used -along with time out,loss of privilages and other things
funny thing is what scares baby bikie the most is daddy headin off on a ride without him --

Thats a good sign baby bikie loves FROSTY and motorbikes.....your on the right track

[soundbeltfarm]

one thing i know for certain and i maake an effort is to praise my kids when they do well.
like a saying i read or somthing.
praise to a child is like water to a desert.
and you see them beam when they get praised.

[rfc85]

we came back from the islands in 97 with three children the youngest was 5 and enrolled inthe local primary school which was ment to be "the best school in town" the second day when she came home she said to her mother -"if you smack me I can callthe police, my teacher said "
This was answered-"well you think that you better piss off and live with your teacher"
so sad, man so fucken sad, that some cow of a teacher who had never met us could judge us and implie that we hit our children-and this bitch is doing the same fucken thing.
Forgot to add, we did smack the children until they were about 4, when they knew the rights and wrongs -and have never had to do it again.

[James Deuce]

Yeah, that's my point kind of. Why sign it if we aren't going to abide by it. Bunch of hypocrits. (I might add that it was signed under the last National Government)

That's alright then.