Is it Bucket legal or not?

[mossy1200]

The Loncin is generally accepted on the basis that it is a Honda CG? 150 clone.

I'm not sure about the CMG, yeah the lines do seem a bit fuzzy. Best bet is to not piss about arguing for marginal cases and take up a platform that is indisputable. The engines that attract regular debate tend to be non-competitive lumps of poop anyway so why bother?

Yeah i understand im just keen to ride something motard style and at that price its just some wheels which I have a front already and some teflon away from riding.

[koba]

Yeah i understand im just keen to ride something motard style and at that price its just some wheels which I have a front already and some teflon away from riding.

It's quite astounding how light a proper MX 125 rolling chassis is, a reasonable bike can be made out of one with appropriate rims. Not sure what you would pick one up for ($) though. Maybe cheap(ish) with a blown motor?

You could buy such a bike but it would be real stink to rock up after putting a whole lot of effort into it to find it isn't considered legal.
You are unlikely to be told to piss off in such a case but still; a legal bike is best for all concerned.
The other thing to consider is the patchy quality of Chinese built machines.
Yeah, sure the Brits said the same thing about the Japs once but I've seen some really crap products from some of the Chinese factories. Loncin has proven to be reasonable and up to the task in most cases, just a fair bit under-powered compared to modern 4-valve platforms.

[F5 Dave]

Legal, along with all its after market add on goodies to take it up to 19hp
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Illegal
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Dont shoot the messenger, I didnt write the rules

that won't make 19hp with legal aftermarket goodies &/or without increasing the capacity to over F5 limit.

Look I'm conflicted. The F5 class is down on numbers so I do want it to survive, after all I'd have to change my name to F4 Dave & it just wouldn't have the same ring (+ F5 button refreshes the screen, go on push it).

XR range were an Enduro model back in the day, although it doesn't look like it now, but people raced the 200s & 250s & even 500s heaven help them, in serious Enduros against PEs ITs KDXs & whatever else.

The 100s though were aimed at kids. the engines of the earlier ones were pretty bum basic.

But couldn't tell you what a CRF/CRF F were. Maybe people MX race them. Who knows?

[kel]

that won't make 19hp with legal aftermarket goodies &/or without increasing the capacity to over F5 limit.

Sure it will.
"Engines must be derived from non-competition motorcycles. Motocross, Road Racing, Enduro and Go Kart motors and transmission parts are not permitted"
Bidalot offer a bolt up kit for 19hp. Sure the kit was designed with racing in mind but it is a bolt up kit for a road going non-competition motorcycle, hence the Dip's run metrakit setups which are perfectly legal. Its only a matter of time until a 19hp 50 turns up on the track, the bridged exhaust port RG50 will then be relegated to fight it out with the XR100's

[Shorty_925]

XR range were an Enduro model back in the day, although it doesn't look like it now, but people raced the 200s & 250s & even 500s heaven help them, in serious Enduros against PEs ITs KDXs & whatever else.

The 100s though were aimed at kids. the engines of the earlier ones were pretty bum basic.

But couldn't tell you what a CRF/CRF F were. Maybe people MX race them. Who knows?

Must have been a number of years ago that an XR was raced in enduro's. When did the PE & IT stop being produced? Early/Mid 80's.

CRF100 - are Kids/Fun (Im guessing an XR100 rebranded as you cant buy a new XR100)
CRF150F - are a Trail bike
CRF150R RB - is the MX bike.

The trail bike/fun/kids bikes are the air cooled motors, the RB is the liquid cooled bike.

http://www.honda-motorcycles.co.nz/B...d-recreational

What else do you do to save F5 class? Buggered if I know.

[F5 Dave]

Must have been a number of years ago that an XR was raced in enduro's. When did the PE & IT stop being produced? Early/Mid 80's.

About when the rules were concocted as we know them now.

[jasonu]

I am really bloody sick and tired of these wankers that are trying to twist the rules or the wording of the rules or looking for loopholes in the rules just so they can enter (or sell) some sort of gray area machine. This is supposed to be a fun AND competitive class. It is not the world championships or something like the Americas Cup which was fucked up by that wanker Michael Fay and his lawyers when they found a 'loophole' in the rules and it has never been the same since.
How about buy a LEGAL ready built bucket or, for fucks sake buy an FXR and race that! It is not that hard to do it properly and still be completely within the rules. In the long run it will cost less, be less trouble, you will find heaps of advice from other racers for free and you wil not have anyone questioning the legality of your machine. And when you are done with your legal machine there will always be a buyer for it. It is not as if the rules need to be opened up because of lack of entries (like in the late 90's) or because one particular type of machine is totally dominant.
The presant rules work just fine as they are.
Just my opinion, no offense intended.

[F5 Dave]

Sure it will.
"Engines must be derived from non-competition motorcycles. Motocross, Road Racing, Enduro and Go Kart motors and transmission parts are not permitted"
Bidalot offer a bolt up kit for 19hp. Sure the kit was designed with racing in mind but it is a bolt up kit for a road going non-competition motorcycle, hence the Dip's run metrakit setups which are perfectly legal. Its only a matter of time until a 19hp 50 turns up on the track, the bridged exhaust port RG50 will then be relegated to fight it out with the XR100's

I think you're on drugs, unless you are having the 's' argument on Motors then it is clearly a competition engine part.

Personally I would never buy a hot up cylinder, I think that is far too close to grey area, maybe I am too conservitive, but to the D's credit they are not racing parts, they are sold as road going big bore cyclinders.

My poor old RG one has one exhaust port.

[jasonu]

My poor old RG one has one exhaust port.

And so do they all (except one that I know of)

[F5 Dave]

Yeah I think Kel was assuming mine was so equiped. Think I got shown that barrel in a dirt floored basement in west Auckland. Along with the 1 water entry no exit DS80LC

[Timber020]

I am really bloody sick and tired of these wankers that are trying to twist the rules or the wording of the rules or looking for loopholes in the rules just so they can enter (or sell) some sort of gray area machine. This is supposed to be a fun AND competitive class. It is not the world championships or something like the Americas Cup which was fucked up by that wanker Michael Fay and his lawyers when they found a 'loophole' in the rules and it has never been the same since.
How about buy a LEGAL ready built bucket or, for fucks sake buy an FXR and race that! It is not that hard to do it properly and still be completely within the rules. In the long run it will cost less, be less trouble, you will find heaps of advice from other racers for free and you wil not have anyone questioning the legality of your machine. And when you are done with your legal machine there will always be a buyer for it. It is not as if the rules need to be opened up because of lack of entries (like in the late 90's) or because one particular type of machine is totally dominant.
The presant rules work just fine as they are.

The FXR doesnt help the shortage of good f5 machines about. F4 has an unlimitied supply of loncin engines and a healthy stable of fxr's available.
At one stage wasnt there debate about the legality of the fxr?

[Yow Ling]

The FXR doesnt help the shortage of good f5 machines about. F4 has an unlimitied supply of loncin engines and a healthy stable of fxr's available.
At one stage wasnt there debate about the legality of the fxr?

Yes there was a question about the FXR legality, when the capacity limit was 140cc, that got fixed .

Is F5 limited by the supply of bikes, or just that most people prefer the bigger F4 bikes ?

A bit like pre 82 numbers falling while pre 89 grows, just the riders preference.

there are plenty of classes competing in the small bike stakes F5, F4, Steetstock, 250 twins, then the junior posties, 125s. I guess F5 just fell off the radar

[Timber020]

Yes there was a question about the FXR legality, when the capacity limit was 140cc, that got fixed .

Is F5 limited by the supply of bikes, or just that most people prefer the bigger F4 bikes ?

A bit like pre 82 numbers falling while pre 89 grows, just the riders preference.

there are plenty of classes competing in the small bike stakes F5, F4, Steetstock, 250 twins, then the junior posties, 125s. I guess F5 just fell off the radar

If your after a bike that fits f5 rules, is less than a grand but has the brakes/engine/frame that will make a good bucket racer for your average guy wanting to race, what would you choose?

[Henk]

I am really bloody sick and tired of these wankers that are trying to twist the rules or the wording of the rules or looking for loopholes in the rules just so they can enter (or sell) some sort of gray area machine. This is supposed to be a fun AND competitive class. It is not the world championships or something like the Americas Cup which was fucked up by that wanker Michael Fay and his lawyers when they found a 'loophole' in the rules and it has never been the same since.
How about buy a LEGAL ready built bucket or, for fucks sake buy an FXR and race that! It is not that hard to do it properly and still be completely within the rules. In the long run it will cost less, be less trouble, you will find heaps of advice from other racers for free and you wil not have anyone questioning the legality of your machine. And when you are done with your legal machine there will always be a buyer for it. It is not as if the rules need to be opened up because of lack of entries (like in the late 90's) or because one particular type of machine is totally dominant.
The presant rules work just fine as they are.

All valid arguments if you are talking about F4 and yes I have an FXR or two in the shed. Now please point me at the F5 equivalent of an FXR, and it isn't an RG50, they seem as rare as hens teeth these days, if they weren't I'd have two by now.

[Buckets4Me]

All valid arguments if you are talking about F4 and yes I have an FXR or two in the shed. Now please point me at the F5 equivalent of an FXR, and it isn't an RG50, they seem as rare as hens teeth these days, if they weren't I'd have two by now.

cb100
cl100

I think E.S.E have a few in the back of the shed

looks like the crf100 is a kids bike

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