Hacking into a WEP secured network

[SMOKEU]

How old are you?

22. How about you?

[bogan]

He sounds like a python programmer eh!

[jrandom]

22. How about you?

Look at my profile page. It has my birthday on it.

I was writing C when I was ten years younger than you are now.

[jrandom]

He sounds like a python programmer eh!

That was written some while before Python was invented.

[bogan]

That was written some while before Python was invented.

Yeh, was just taking the piss. I kind of see where he is coming from, as an engineer we kind of operate one step higher up the ladder but the principals are much the same; the inflated self worth of the keyboard jockey just triggered my amusement.

[SMOKEU]

Look at my profile page. It has my birthday on it.

I was writing C when I was ten years younger than you are now.

Good on you then.

Funny how people expect me to go from being a n00b to an expert all in 1 day. We all had to start somewhere and at least I'm making an effort not to be an idiot for the rest of my life.

[jrandom]

... as an engineer we kind of operate one step higher up the ladder but the principals are much the same; the inflated self worth of the keyboard jockey just triggered my amusement.

I didn't read it as self worth; just someone who enjoys what he does. He wasn't putting anyone else down.

I find your negative reaction odd.

[bogan]

I didn't read it as self worth; just someone who enjoys what he does. He wasn't putting anyone else down.

I find your negative reaction odd.

The was a continuation of me taking the piss, pretentiousness brings that out in me.

[jrandom]

Funny how people expect me to go from being a n00b to an expert all in 1 day.

Perhaps the only person who expects that is you?

I like your posts. You're not stupid.

Forget Jade. With that shit you're just floating on what, to you, will be an arbitrary sea of abstractions. You'll get nowhere. You need to start at the beginning.

You need to learn two things:

1. How programmable computers work. The whole concept of addressable memory and sequences of instructions that perform arithmetic operations, tests, and conditional branches.

2. The fundamental theory of algorithms and data structures that allows you to turn point 1 above into kiwibiker.co.nz, Microsoft Word, Gran Turismo 5, etc.

None of this has changed since the 1950s and none of it ever will change.

From the practical side, if you want to learn something useful, there are two CPU architectures to learn (ARM and x86), and one programming language (C).

Start with C. You have a PC, yes? Write Windows console programs using Microsoft's free Visual Studio Express tools.

Start googling and reading. All the tools and the information you need are right at your fingertips.

[jrandom]

... pretentiousness brings that out in me.

You're still being negative, calling it 'pretentiousness'.

I feel sorry for you if you can't see any beauty or excitement in those concepts.

Or are you just not used to writing earnestly and openly about anything on the internet, and feel that you need to pre-emptively take the piss before anyone else takes it out of you first? I can understand that.

[bogan]

You're still being negative, calling it 'pretentiousness'.

I feel sorry for you if you can't see any beauty or excitement in those concepts.

Or are you just not used to writing earnestly and openly about anything on the internet, and feel that you need to pre-emptively take the piss before anyone else takes it out of you first? I can understand that.

"The magic of myth and legend has come true in our time." You don't consider that pretentious?

I know there is beauty and excitement in programming, it's often the last stage of my engineering projects where everything comes together. But all I would say is it's a pretty sweet feeling, not that it is the stuff of myth and legend, thats overstating it just a tad.

[SMOKEU]

Perhaps the only person who expects that is you?

I like your posts. You're not stupid.

Forget Jade. With that shit you're just floating on what, to you, will be an arbitrary sea of abstractions. You'll get nowhere. You need to start at the beginning.

You need to learn two things:

1. How programmable computers work. The whole concept of addressable memory and sequences of instructions that perform arithmetic operations, tests, and conditional branches.

2. The fundamental theory of algorithms and data structures that allows you to turn point 1 above into kiwibiker.co.nz, Microsoft Word, Gran Turismo 5, etc.

None of this has changed since the 1950s and none of it ever will change.

From the practical side, if you want to learn something useful, there are two CPU architectures to learn (ARM and x86), and one programming language (C).

Start with C. You have a PC, yes? Write Windows console programs using Microsoft's free Visual Studio Express tools.

Start googling and reading. All the tools and the information you need are right at your fingertips.

As for Jade, we have to learn it at Polytech as part of the software engineering course. I don't have any choice in the matter. I've heard a lot of negative stuff about Jade, pretty much everyone "in the know" is telling me to start with C. I don't currently have a Windows computer as my main rig won't POST so I'm using the Linux box till I get that sorted.

[bogan]

+1 for the start with C advice. I've learnt a few languages, delphi, java, C, C++, VB6, C# is all so far, and the only ones of any use (outside of academia) have all started with a C, Java I think can be good, but not so much in my line of work, delphi and VB6 are widely regarded as rubbish.

[mashman]

As for Jade, we have to learn it at Polytech as part of the software engineering course. I don't have any choice in the matter. I've heard a lot of negative stuff about Jade, pretty much everyone "in the know" is telling me to start with C. I don't currently have a Windows computer as my main rig won't POST so I'm using the Linux box till I get that sorted.

google is your friend... hit 1 for c++ on linux (using yahoo).

There's always a way... you just gotta open them thar eyes

[SMOKEU]

google is your friend... hit 1 for c++ on linux (using yahoo).

There's always a way... you just gotta open them thar eyes

Cheers for that. Now, for the next issue.

Do I use the sudo apt-get install (insert package name here) without the brackets to install the package?