Moto 3 in NZ

[Mental Trousers]

Now you bring it up age is another problem to getting young kids into Road Racing

15.2.3 Junior competitors age shall be from and including the eighth birthday until the seventeenth birthday. Young Junior Road race riders from their 10th birthday until their 13th birthday shall be allowed to compete in the Young Junior road race class.
Junior competitors age shall be from and including the eight birthday until the seventeenth birthday.
Junior riders that are eligible to race in Senior Road Race events may continue to race as a Junior in Motocross events up until the date of their 17th birthday.
Junior’s 13 years and over shall be allowed to compete in miniature road racing 150cc Streetstock, Classic (23.3) and Post Classic (25.6). In special cases approval may be granted by the Board on an individual basis for 125 GP class. The basis for this approval will be a recommendation from a current top level rider who shall commit to act as mentor to the junior rider until the rider is eligible for a senior licence. All riders are to wear a high visibility vest over their leathers for the first events at which they compete. Proof of these events will be from entries in their log book.

Kids under the age of 10 aren't actually able to compete in any Road Racing event. Whereas on the dirt there's very clear and comprehensive rules for competition for kids and a rule that allows kids of pretty much any age to compete in cross country events (MNZ 15.6.2 it's at the discretion of the Course Steward at Club Only events, the child must have a parent shadow them for the entire thing and the child must be able to pick up their own machine by themselves)

So there's a path for kids to follow from as soon as they can sling a leg over a 50cc all the way through to age 15 when there's no longer any restrictions on what they ride. Road Racing they can't even go near one until they're 10, at 13 they're able to ride GP machinery but only with special dispensation, then at 15 all the restrictions come off (I think).

Kids can be competing on dirt bikes at any age as long as they can convince the Course Steward they're capable.

[jellywrestler]

Big money killed NZ sidecar racing.

absolute bullshit

[crazy man]

what about allowing 125gp modified 250fs and standered 450fs a standered 450f would be as well as moto3 bikes

maybe a weight limet for the stock 450s say around 125kg mark would be fair

[RobGassit]

absolute bullshit

How about giving us your version then, because the class died a death like no other class ever has. Is it just coincidence that the class dissappeared shortly after the arrival of 100k chairs?

[Kickaha]

How about giving us your version then, because the class died a death like no other class ever has. Is it just coincidence that the class dissappeared shortly after the arrival of 100k chairs?

How many 100K chairs were actually racing?

It was more because after years of doing a four round National series the knob end leading the charge at MNZ told them they would have to do all five rounds or there would not be series for them, as 3 of the five rounds were in the south and the majoirty of sidecars came from the North they weren't prepared to spend the money or couldn't/wouldn't take the time off

No doubt about it a few people got their noses out of joint once they started getting hammered and couldn't win anymore but until it was changed without consultation with what was at the time a MNZ affiliated club there still would have easily been a class

But this thread isn't about that anyway

[Kickaha]

I go to MX and look at all the young guys in flash vans, latest gears, new bikes, fancy suspension, flash graphics then I go to road racing and see young guys struggling to afford to ride a 15 year old 125. What am I missing?

How much do you think it would cost to race competitively in each MX class compared to the on road equivalent?

[Ivan]

maybe a weight limet for the stock 450s say around 125kg mark would be fair

i was thinking for academy bikes like steves if he followed this route,

a 450 stock engine in a frame like yours running rs running gear would then come down to rider external setup not about the engine and chasing the most power it would kind of be a feeder class into a class that really is dead in nz as it is sadly my favourite class is 125gp but it would be a feeder class to help bring people in would allow for more engine brands as well such as honda yamaha suzuki kawasaki and the people who want to chase power can go the 250f route

[crazy man]

i was thinking for academy bikes like steves if he followed this route,

a 450 stock engine in a frame like yours running rs running gear would then come down to rider external setup not about the engine and chasing the most power it would kind of be a feeder class into a class that really is dead in nz as it is sadly my favourite class is 125gp but it would be a feeder class to help bring people in would allow for more engine brands as well such as honda yamaha suzuki kawasaki and the people who want to chase power can go the 250f route

the thing is it would not be realy fair to someone building a 250 and still been 10hp down and only half the torque off a 450 then it ends up been mostly 450s instead of the real class 125-250s

[budda]

the thing is it would not be realy fair to someone building a 250 and still been 10hp down and only half the torque off a 450 then it ends up been mostly 450s instead of the real class 125-250s

You have missed the point chaps - the 450singles was proposed as a low cost/high fun alternative that is easily accessible for anyone with the initiative, and the bikes would fit into the already existing SuperLite/F3 Class structure ....... hopefully there would be enough to eventually lead to its own title .

The 125GP Class will, like all Classes, eventually die off unless we allow change to take place - THAT is why the Road Race Commission had the foresight to alter the rules to allow those who choose to, to either purchase OR build a fourstroke equivalent for themselves.

NOTHING is truly future-proof, but the door is open for those that want to go down that route ..... as the Classic movement illustrates, there are always ways of maintaining and running an outdated racebike at competitive levels, really comes down to the wallet.

And, as for "fair" ........ well, those of you who know me know my thoughts on that hoary chestnut !!!!!!!!!!!!!

[CHOPPA]

How much do you think it would cost to race competitively in each MX class compared to the on road equivalent?

It would cost me the same to get 3rd in the MX1 as it would to get 3rd in the Superbikes

[jellywrestler]

It would cost me the same to get 3rd in the MX1 as it would to get 3rd in the Superbikes

what's the tyre comparison?

[jasonu]

How much do you think it would cost to race competitively in each MX class compared to the on road equivalent?

A lot less

[scott411]

It would cost me the same to get 3rd in the MX1 as it would to get 3rd in the Superbikes

I seriously doubt that Choppa, it costs more to get 3rd in MX2 anyway,

i bet BT's Bike that won the MX1 title would not cost half of what any bike in the top 5 superbikes would cost to build

and i bet the whole of the top 10 in MX1 would not have spent what you did on tyres

[jellywrestler]

I seriously doubt that Choppa, it costs more to get 3rd in MX2 anyway,

those hats with the three green stripes that are carefully designed so you can tuck your ears into them can't be cheap I'm picking?

[Maarty]

WHAT A BUNCH OF CRY BABIES!
What are you wanting to do, regulate the haves and have nots? The guys who can find the funding from those who cannot?
Way too much self centered chest beating going on. If someone wants to run a moto3 (and has the resourses to do so) great! Let them go for it!
What next? shell we mediate the rules to hobble Stroudy because he and Karen do their homework and get the funding, or Choppa for the same? What about Glen (Williams) for having a sucessful business that allows him to participate at the level he does. How about Josh McGrath or Troy Guenther because their perants could afford it!
Perhaps we should put rules in place to stop riders like Travis Merkel and Avalon Biddle from getting rides overseas because they have the funding?
Pull your heads out of the sand and harden up! or try another sport!!!!!!!!!!!!