What does KB think i should do to this prick?

[haydes55]

They probably can but chances are they'll be pretty limited in what they can do

They can fine, ban and suspend riders. In terms of compensation/reparations the organisers would most likely have no power. Still worth talking to them to get ahold of the other riders details (they will have if he registered to ride the track day).

What is written in the waver/contract/form you signed?

[jrandom]

There are two flavours of input on this thread:

A. ZOMG LET'S BEAT THE CUNT UP AND MAKE HIM PAY

B. *shrug* nothin' to be done, suck it up and move on

The 'A' posts are sympathetic but pointless. Nobody's going to beat the cunt up, and he's not going to pay.

The 'B' posts are callous but correct.

I don't think there's much of a middle ground to be found, unfortunately.

Stand by now for a further seventeen pages of alternating As and Bs.

[98tls]

Mistakes are made mate. It's what makes us human.

I hear you mate but its what we do after making a mistake that defines what sort of human being we are,wasnt that long ago that the right thing was done generally,these days if there a way out its generally taken.Dont mind me i just prefer the old way.

[jrandom]

Someone's head would be rolling if they did it to me.

What are you actually saying? That you'd find the guy and physically assault him? You wouldn't actually do that, on account of not being completely stupid.

And you couldn't sue him for personal injury, cos of the ACC laws. This isn't the USA.

So... what, exactly, would the 'rolling head' constitute?

[short-circuit]

I hear you mate but its what we do after making a mistake that defines what sort of human being we are,wasnt that long ago that the right thing was done generally,these days if there a way out its generally taken.Dont mind me i just prefer the old way.

Mate to mate mating mate. Mate stylez

[Madness]

Pretty hard to smack the cunt with both arms in slings. Just saying.

[short-circuit]

What are you actually saying? That you'd find the guy and physically assault him? You wouldn't actually do that, on account of not being completely stupid.

And you couldn't sue him for personal injury, cos of the ACC laws. This isn't the USA.

So... what, exactly, would the 'rolling head' constitute?

Plus the fact that both the OP's arms are in plaster makes that option kinda difficult

Edit: beat me to it

[Kickaha]

They can fine, ban and suspend riders. In terms of compensation/reparations the organisers would most likely have no power. Still worth talking to them to get ahold of the other riders details (they will have if he registered to ride the track day).

What is written in the waver/contract/form you signed?

You seem to be assuming the rider is a MNZ licence holder?

I doubt they can fine or suspend anyone if he isn't, the organisers may be able to ban him from attending further ART days but that would be about it

[SMOKEU]

The at fault party should still pay for any financial losses incurred by the victim. If you fuck someone else and/or their property up due to negligence or stupidity, then you should have to pay. It's as simple as that. Being on a race track shouldn't make any difference. It's called personal responsibility, and judging by some of the posts here it's a quality that is sadly lacking in this world.

[Crasherfromwayback]

That would be a valid remark if the day was a raceday or a garden variety track day.
In this case it was a training day. Someone's head would be rolling if they did it to me.

And fair enough if you take matters into your own hands there and then. But to me John, if you venture out onto a race track...you've gotta be prepared to encounter fuckwits. At any level other than National level. Luckily...by then, most of the cunts have their shit sorted out.

Red mist knows no rules. Mistakes (especially by amateurs) do happen. Ride with them at your own peril.

[haydes55]

Naive perhaps. They would enforce such action under what jurisdiction? If a club fines a member that member has the option to say "fuck you" and not come back. This was an ART day and as such participants indemnify the organisers but the participants don't necessarily have to agree to abide by the organisers rules.

I am a bit naive to the rules for an ART day, is a day licence required (MNZ licence)? At any point has the rider agreed to a contract/clause that says if he/she breaches rules then he/she must pay a fine? If so they are in a legally binding contract to pay a fine which MNZ could send to Baycorp to collect.

Punishing the stupid rider but still no reparation.

Hard to give legal advice to anyone without seeing what has been signed.

I do see where you are coming from, MNZ probably wouldn't bother going to Baycorp and the rider might just never do anything MNZ affiliated again. Or he could want to do another MNZ event and pay the fine, the thing is there is still that power and they should use it.

[Madness]

... the organisers may be able to ban him from attending further ART days but that would be about it

Pretty pointless if his bike's toast as well.

I can't help but draw a comparison to indoor go-karting. You pays your money, sign a disclaimer and then if you fuck up they tell you to fuck off. End of.

[98tls]

There are two flavours of input on this thread:

A. ZOMG LET'S BEAT THE CUNT UP AND MAKE HIM PAY

B. *shrug* nothin' to be done, suck it up and move on

The 'A' posts are sympathetic but pointless. Nobody's going to beat the cunt up, and he's not going to pay.

The 'B' posts are callous but correct.

I don't think there's much of a middle ground to be found, unfortunately.

Stand by now for a further seventeen pages of alternating As and Bs.

Or C,posts pointing out the obvious.

[jrandom]

I am a bit naive to the rules for an ART day, is a day licence required (MNZ licence)? At any point has the rider agreed to a contract/clause that says if he/she breaches rules then he/she must pay a fine?

I seriously doubt it.

[Crasherfromwayback]

I hear you mate but its what we do after making a mistake that defines what sort of human being we are,wasnt that long ago that the right thing was done generally,these days if there a way out its generally taken.Dont mind me i just prefer the old way.

Look...I hear you too. And the other peeps here. But I may yet loose a foot due to some other cunts amateurish mistake. Yes I was racing, so it's different. But whilst racing, I also think it's fair to assume that the other racers should be a lil better skilled than the average wanna be jockey. Do I wanna go him? Nope. If I wanted to be safe and sound, without injury...I'd take up knitting with a flexible, soft (and blunt) needles.

Move on. Nothing to see here.