What does KB think i should do to this prick?

[FJRider]

so by attending and paying for a course i went on a track to learn and develop skills, not race, yet its still my fault when another try hard know it all thinks he can pass on the inside as im apexing. I seriously doubt that will stand.

It never supprises me how many times that "It wasn't my fault ... what can I do" line crops up in this site. On the open road or the street/public place ... you may have a leg to stand on. BUT ... It was a closed track, for paying riders. Therefore no rules or laws under the Transport act (or any that may interest the Police) would apply.

Even if the rules of the track, on the track-day were broken ... and ... if any (or no) action was taken (and enforced [or not]) by the track-day officials ... I very much doubt if they would be legally obliged to reveal any information on the other party, on privacy grounds. Any more than you would like them to reveal your details, if anybody asked (for any reason).

Your excess is $1500 ... and you chose to do a track day with the bike, being aware there was some risk of damage. The risk and blame rests on your shoulders, for being there.

Your Insurance company may assist with an attempt to recoup any loss you may have re: your excess. But they may not be interested if you hadn't notified them you were going to do a track-day (DID you notify them ... ???). But speak with THEM first. They may also offer advice as to your next course(s) of action. (after you pay the excess of course)

[scracha]

Listen to my words. I. Think. That. Being. Hit. By. Some. Cunt. On. A. Training. Day. Is. A. Bit. Rough.

And where did I say it wasn't?

Is this specific view point so outrageously out of line with what you understand to be portrayed to the vast maority of new road riders who hope to better themselves after getting a bike and coming on here?

No to it being a bit rough. Yes, to the point of view about other riding paying up. I used to be in that category too when a mate's missus got taken out by an idiot.....then someone kindly explained it to me.

Anyone who goes out in the fast (or medium) group on a motorcycle trackday believing that it's safer than a trip to Woolworths is delusional.

Anyone participating in ANY sport seeking damages against other participants for accidental damage is also delusional.

So the average rider has simply no place on the track and he should keep it clear for you to race on?

For some reason you're implying I go out on trackdays (actually, you're using the word "race" for some reason) to deliberately knock other people off and ignore people who are on "my line". Where exactly did I say or even indicate that? "Average" rider having no place in fast group...hmm.....let us think about that.

You consider my logic, I'm not playing a fucking sport when I attend a trackday! I FULLY EXPECT IN THE FUTURE TO PARTICIPATE IN CLUBMANS RACING, it may well be the case that you rub me in passing, I'll walk up to you after and slap you with the beer I'm handing you..

I've got bad news for you. You are participating in a sport.
SPORT: a. Physical activity that is governed by a set of rules or customs and often engaged in competitively. b. A particular form of this activity


But regardless, lets replace the word "sport" with "activity" (shh...we'll make believe that it's not a dangerous activity) or even "training activity". In my case, say my neck/shoulder was initially injured in a soccer "training exercise", largely caused by the actions of a player on my own team. I won't bother sending him a bill. He does feel bad about it. I've accepted that soccer training can cause injuries.

None of this means that I think it's ok for you to knock my old man off the track because he wants to give it a go

Again, I've never ever said it's acceptable to knock someone off in a trackday. I've never even said it's acceptable to knock someone off in racing. That said, if shit happens in either case, I won't (and HAVEN'T) gone looking for damages and I'm well aware that a we slip on my behalf could have someone in hospital (or worse).


So to surmise.

1. It sucks to be knocked off a bike on a trackday.
2. Seeking damages from a trackday woopsie is a waste of time

Are we arguing about anything?

[Ender EnZed]

Are we arguing about anything?

Only about whether he should stfu or not. I probably wouldln't.

[jonbuoy]

I struggle to see what your point is here. For what purpose did he tape his lights and mirrors up? Should he have been dwadling and looking behind him for faster riders?



Highlight your concerns and I'll do my best to address them.



Do you suppose that Valetino Rossi rides exclusive on training days amongst those who could could'nt keep his exhaust plume in sight? I don't think he does so I think that the concerns that are relevant to this thread are ones that have anything to do with him.

Because riding on a track there is probably a higher chance of binning than on the road. Lets face it no one rides in the fast group because they want to improve their defensive riding techniques. Why do you think some insurance companies won't cover you for trackdays racing or not.

[DEATH_INC.]

Looking at the pics I can't understand what happened. All 3 bikes are on their own lines, no-one is braking and there is plenty of room? Got any pics of the point of contact?

[rachprice]

What they signed was an agreement that AMCC wasn't responsible, why is that so hard to understand?

I think you find that the bit about AMCC is a sepreate section of the clause, that is why they are numbered

DISCLAIMER OF LIABILITY
1. I am aware that the sport of Motorcycling might:
a. Cause me injury, serious or otherwise.
b. Damage my property.
2. I wish to take part in this training day despite the above risks.
3. Neither I, nor anyone associated or connected with me, will make any claim against you or your officers, employees or agents in respect of:
a. Any injury suffered by me; or
b. Any damage to any of my property
regardless of how the injury or damage occurs.
4. I will indemnify you against all claims, damages or losses (including costs), which you incur as the direct or indirect result of any injury to me or
damage, to my property.
5. I am physically fit and there is no health or other reason why I should not participate in Motorcycle Training.
6. I am aware that this disclaimer will not affect any legal obligations you have to me, which you cannot contract out of under New Zealand law.
7. I agree that in this disclaimer "my property" includes any property owned by me or in my possession or under my control.
8. I agree that this disclaimer will be binding on my family, my heirs, my legal assigns and my administrators and executors.
9. I accept that stripping and re-assembly for Technical Checks are at my cost.
10. I consent to the details contained in this form being held by Auckland Motorcycle Club Inc. for the purpose of the promotion and benefit of the training
day concerned, and Motorcycling in general. I acknowledge my right to access and correction of this information. This consent is given in accordance
with the Privacy Act 1993.
11. Drug and alcohol policy: MNZ supports the FIM/IOC charter on drugs in sport. MNZ uses the services of the New Zealand Sports Drug Agency
(NZSDA) to professionally carry out the testing. I acknowledge by signing this form I may be subjected to a drug/alcohol test at any time. I agree to
such testing. I further agree that my name can be published by MNZ as having taken part in a drug/alcohol test together with the results of that testing

I struggle to see what your point is here. For what purpose did he tape his lights and mirrors up? Should he have been dwadling and looking behind him for faster riders?

If he was genuinely 'training' for the road then he wouldn't need to tape up his mirrors and go in the fast group

So the average rider has simply no place on the track and he should keep it clear for you to race on?




You consider my logic, I'm not playing a fucking sport when I attend a trackday! I FULLY EXPECT IN THE FUTURE TO PARTICIPATE IN CLUBMANS RACING, it may well be the case that you rub me in passing, I'll walk up to you after and slap you with the beer I'm handing you. None of this means that I think it's ok for you to knock my old man off the track because he wants to give it a go.

Did you actually read what he wrote? He never said RACE, he was in the fast group

I still think he needs to suck it up and move on, I don't think anyone is denying it is a shitty situation and that he has a right to be angry, nor that the other guy COULD have been completely at fault, but that doesn't mean you need to throw a hissy fit and try and take legal action on someone also participating in a dangerous activity.
I honestly think if you are going to get so fucking precious about it, maybe motorcycling isn't for you

[PrincessBandit]

"What should I do to this prick?" Hmmm. Pretty much the majority of aggro being espoused here has been influenced by the title of the OP, and coupled with the fact that KB is never going to be the fount of reason, common sense or sympathy nothing posted here has been surprising.

Advice to tuna - sift out the worthwhile posts (of which there actually are a number) and get over the remainder of them. It sounds like you need to put your energy into recovering rather than adding to your woes with increased blood pressure on top of everything else.

What you're asking about (the personal "revenge" mode - see your thread title) has nothing to do at all with anything other than red mist and the desire to "make the prick pay". If it wasn't, you'd simply get on with following up with your insurance company to get the bike sorted out and dear old ACC to take care of your physical injuries.

[Crasherfromwayback]

We shouldn't be too quick to pass judgement based on only one side of the OP's story.

Correct!!!

[Crasherfromwayback]

Cool story bro...but not quite good enough for me to upload the relevant meme

I like how crasher keeps referring to racing incidents when this particular incident has nothing to do with racing.

Sorry. My point wasn't about racing. What I was trying to point out was...if someone as good as Robert Holden has no fucking idea what's going on directly behind him on a racetrack...I doubt the OP can expect to.

That help?

[nodrog:Me]

How about you go faster, or move down to the learner group so shitty old hondas arent queing up to get past you?

P.S. it was me that hit you, you can contact me here to talk about it 0800111757

[avgas]

[sinfull]

How about you go faster, or move down to the learner group so shitty old hondas arent queing up to get past you?

P.S. it was me that hit you, you can contact me here to talk about it 0800111757

Put a louder exhaust on yr bike, going by them photos, it looks to me he tipped it in on ya and cut ya off !

[Maido]

*Eagerly awaits Godwins law to kick in and end thread.
FYI: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

[nodrog:Me]

Put a louder exhaust on yr bike, going by them photos, it looks to me he tipped it in on ya and cut ya off !

I think he saw his tampon that fell out on the previous lap, and was heading into the infield to pick it up.

[Katman]

My guess was to ask a public forum/ the bike community, as they are always helpful and friendly and will put u straight,

There's your mistake right there.











P.S. Judging by the photos, I'd be fucked off too and it's precisely why the 1100 ain't ever going to do a trackday.