What does KB think i should do to this prick?

[Kickaha]

I feel special.

Is that because it happens so rarely?

[scracha]

That said, the other rider would be a good cunt if they at least contributed towards the insurance excess and non-funded medical costs.

Nope. Sets a bad precedence. Worried about injuries on the track, then get your own insurance and pay your own excess.

Perhaps trackday (and training days, same thing ffs) specific insurance should cover 3rd party for situations such as this and events such as this, open to the general public should require evidence of insurance for nominated groups?

What a great idea. Can all the cotton wool clad whiners fuck off and arrange their own "compulsory 3rd party insurance required" trackday. Obviously every bike will need front and rear facing cameras, and marshalls will have to stop filming and spend a bit of time writing out witness statements when the inevitable happens.

Don't bother coming to a regular trackday to impose your "laws" and stop the rest of us from enjoying ourselves.

[Madness]

What a great idea. Can all the cotton wool clad whiners fuck off and arrange their own "compulsory 3rd party insurance required" trackday. Obviously every bike will need front and rear facing cameras, and marshalls will have to stop filming and spend a bit of time writing out witness statements when the inevitable happens.

Don't bother coming to a regular trackday to impose your "laws" and stop the rest of us from enjoying ourselves.

You got it. If you want to bring open road expectations into an environment that doesn't operate under the same set of rules don't go waaaah-ing when the shit hits the fan. It does seem however from the number of supporters of the OP's stance that a fully-covered "special" group at training days & track days could work. Not worried, don't bother & contnue as usual in the regular groups.

[Drew]

Haven't read the last few pages so perhaps this has been covered.

I thought the waiver you sign only applies to the organisation running it? You don't sign a waiver saying you won't pursue costs against someone who crashes into you.

Also have to say my mind changed a bit when he said he was in the fast group and I saw the photos. A little spatial awareness could have avoided the accident by the looks of it.

The specific disclaimer they signed that day is worded differently to the last one I signed, but the gist is the same. "I take the risk of my own accord".

How many of the posters bagging the op have moaned in other threads about the lack of personal responsibility these days....just not if your on a track eh?

The OP is taking no responsibility at all. What's your point again?

I think you're wrong Drew.

I think you need to read the waver. It's very clear, the reason for that is to avoid any need for investigations, where the organisers might be asked to provide all sorts of impossible evidence, for no good reason.

This crash involved two guys, who will both have their own version of events. The dude who hit the thread starter may very well have felt shit about it, and taken responsibility at the time, but who's to say that after the fact he didn't give it some thought and conclude that they both played a part in it?

[Katman]

I think you need to read the waver. It's very clear, the reason for that is to avoid any need for investigations, where the organisers might be asked to provide all sorts of impossible evidence, for no good reason.

This crash involved two guys, who will both have their own version of events. The dude who hit the thread starter may very well have felt shit about it, and taken responsibility at the time, but who's to say that after the fact he didn't give it some thought and conclude that they both played a part in it?

Come on Drew, you're brighter than that.

The waiver absolves the organisers of any grief from on-track altercations.

It doesn't extend to the other plebs sharing the track with you.

Open eyes time.

[Bassmatt]

The OP is taking no responsibility at all. What's your point again?

I'm talking about the personal responsibility of the person who has (supposedly) admitted fault. It seems to be the opinion of most that because it was on the track that he should not bear any.

[flyingcrocodile46]

I'm talking about the personal responsibility of the person who has (supposedly) admitted fault. It seems to be the opinion of most that because it was on the track that he should not bear any.

I disagree. I think it's more that the posters here feel that the OP needs to acknowledge a greater level of ownership for the outcome. It was a risk that he was happy to take until he lost, then he cried about it and attempted to garner sympathy by doing an internet hatchet job on the other guy.

A whole lot of stupid went into the track that day and a whole lot more in the original post (which has since been edited into non existence)

[Drew]

Come on Drew, you're brighter than that.

The waiver absolves the organisers of any grief from on-track altercations.

It doesn't extend to the other plebs sharing the track with you.

Open eyes time.

The waiver has to absolve the other users as well. Or by extension the organisers are back to square one.

I think my eyes are open. When I go to the track, I accept that if the shit hits the fan on the track, I have no recourse. It's my responsibility to keep out of harms way, or suffer with as much dignity as I can muster.

[Drew]

I'm talking about the personal responsibility of the person who has (supposedly) admitted fault. It seems to be the opinion of most that because it was on the track that he should not bear any.

How is that different from the thread statrer, not accepting that he signed a waiver?

We don't know the full story because we weren't there to see it happen, and in such cases, cannot possibly know who was at fault or why.

[Katman]

Question for you Drew...

Why do training/trackday organisers stipulate no undertaking on corners?

[scracha]

Question for you Drew...

Why do training/trackday organisers stipulate no undertaking on corners?

What's your point Katmahn?

[Katman]

It was a question - not a point.

[Virago]

One thing to be wary of is that we're only hearing one version of events. I'd bet the other party's version would be quite different. "There I was, following this guy around the track. He was fast on the straights and slow round the corners, so I had the wait for a clear chance to overtake. He was riding different lines to me which didn't make it easy. Anyway, approaching this corner, he brakes way early and cuts across in front of me. I had nowhere to go..."

Just sayin'...

[flyingcrocodile46]

One thing to be wary of is that we're only hearing one version of events. I'd bet the other party's version would be quite different. "There I was, following this guy around the track. He was fast on the straights and slow round the corners, so I had the wait for a clear chance to overtake. He was riding different lines to me which didn't make it easy. Anyway, approaching this corner, he brakes way early and cuts across in front of me. I had nowhere to go..."

Just sayin'...

Nobody is listening

Unfuckingbelieveable.

You roll the dice you take your chances. It ain't cool to blame the others at the table if you luck out.

Nobody seems to be considering that maybe the other guy had no malicious or mischievous intent. That he didn't set out to undertake on purpose and that he simply misjudged things (as CFWB said).



So what are we talking about then? persecuting the other victim because he didn't come off as bad. Maybe the other victim was braking in reasonable time to overtake the OP on the inside before the corner and the OP is a nonce and braked way too early then fucked up by turning in early and cutting across the other victims line?

We shouldn't be too quick to pass judgement based on only one side of the OP's story.

[Road kill]

From the point of view of somebody that's never been on a race track.
I front up for a training day "because I know very little about track riding,,and I sign the form.
I know there's going to be other know nothings out there,so I have the insurance.
Some other rider makes a mistake an takes me out.
I approach the other rider in the hope he will meet me half way on my insurance excess,,because in the same situation "I would for him".
What ever the result of my talk to the other rider was and no matter how pissed I might be at the end of the day I'd still be aware that I took my chances by riding on a track with others that were just as likely to mess up as I was.


Something about personal responsibility for ones own decisions,,,but meh, fuck that huh.