What does KB think i should do to this prick?

[Drew]

Question for you Drew...

Why do training/trackday organisers stipulate no undertaking on corners?

Because they don't want squids trying to make a move they can't pull off.

That said, if something goes wrong and the options are; ride straight into someone, or ;try and go by them. There is an obvious choice. Go where there seems to be room!

[Road kill]

yes, but if you were there to learn, you will go into the novice group and see how the day is run and what you are supposed to do. if you go out there in the fast group and try to get your knee down by going faster than you should, tough titty.

Fuck sake

[Gremlin]

Why do training/trackday organisers stipulate no undertaking on corners?

Actually all of the ART days I've attended, there has always been overtaking on the corners.

Big difference between undertaking and overtaking. Fast group is pretty much left to their own devices, but people stuffing it up the inside of others in other groups can be expect to be reported to control.

[jrandom]

Why do training/trackday organisers stipulate no undertaking on corners?

Can't speak for the other trackday organisers, but I know that the rule at MotoTT is no overtaking up the inside under brakes. You can sit on the inside line and come through once you're on the gas, or you can outbrake someone around the outside.

Reason being that having someone else come up the inside while you're braking tends to make n00bs shit themselves and fail to hold their line. Once they're on the gas they'll be drifting out wide anyhow so it shouldn't make any difference.

[BoristheBiter]

Actually all of the ART days I've attended, there has always been overtaking on the corners. Normal practice and not forbidden at all. The one that it not advised to is the hairpin, on the inside of the rider and the incident did not occur on that corner. It is the responsibility of the overtaking rider to make sure the maneuver is safe, however there is always risk factors that are not under the overtaking rider control sometimes. Hence the waver you sign before getting on track to say you understand and accept that something unfortunate might happen and you are prepared for the consequences.

Actually the rules for ART say you are not allowed to overtake on the inside of a corner.
You are not allowed to pass at all after the cones at the hairpin.
You are allowed to overtake on corners on the outside only.
It is up to the rider passing to make sure it is safe to do so.
If you can't remember that after all your ART days.

I would like to know why the guy undertaking him thought it was a good idea? did you not see the gap closing? or was the red mist that bad? not likes its a race.

I think the OP should just suck it up, but on that I would be pissed as if I had two broken arms I couldn't work due so someone that can't follow rules and thinks they are rossi.

I would have used stronger language but I guess it would fall on deaf ears as group 3 is full of try-hards that think they are better than they actually are.

[Katman]

Because they don't want squids trying to make a move they can't pull off.

I rest my case.

[jrandom]

Then again, sometimes the inside is safer. It's generally the correct place to pass someone, all other things being equal...

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[jrandom]

I rest my case.

See my earlier post - I don't think Drew's quite on the money here. It's not actually about the person making the pass - it's about what having someone come up the inside will do to the n00b who's not expecting it.

This thread is pretty much a case in point.

Without knowing more than what's been posted here, I'd be inclined to say that the OP's probably a bit of a muppet and squared the corner off in front of the guy coming through.

The fact that n00bs will do that is why people get told at MotoTT days not to try getting up the inside under brakes. Once everyone's on the gas you can usually rely on lines not changing much.

[Katman]

See my earlier post - I don't think Drew's quite on the money here. It's not actually about the person making the pass - it's about what having someone come up the inside will do to the n00b who's not expecting it.

I think it's a combination of both.

Hence why organisers say "no undertaking".

I fail to see why the OP should be expected to just 'suck it up'.

[Crasherfromwayback]

I fail to see why the OP should be expected to just 'suck it up'.

Nobody would go anywhere near a track if they had to pay for a fuck up. Bad as it is...they do happen. And no...I've never made a mistake that's taken anyone else out.

[Katman]

Nobody would go anywhere near a track if they had to pay for a fuck up. Bad as it is...they do happen. And no...I've never made a mistake that's taken anyone else out.

That's why rules are put in place though Pete.

If I took the 1100 out on the track for a rider training day under the impression that undertaking was not allowed and some prick pulled a similar manoeuvre as shown in the photos I would happily inflicted grievious bodily harm on the prick.

Let's not forget, this was not a racing incident.

[Subike]

That's why rules are put in place though Pete.

If I took the 1100 out on the track for a rider training day under the impression that undertaking was not allowed and some prick pulled a similar manoeuvre as shown in the photos I would happily inflicted grievious bodily harm on the prick.

Let's not forget, this was not a racing incident.

so what would you call undertaking, left side /right side/ depending upon corner turning left or right?

[Katman]

so what would you call undertaking, left side /right side/ depending upon corner turning left or right?

Stop being fucking retarded.

We all know what constitutes 'undertaking'.

[Subike]

Don't be fucking retarded.

We all know what constitutes 'undertaking'.

so seeing we drive on the left hand side of the road, undertaking is when you go past a person on the left side , as per the road rules,
and passing on the right side is over taking, as per the road rules.
Not daft question for riders who do NOT do track days
and also I object to you calling me a retard, not that It will stop you doing so
Pity,

[flyingcrocodile46]

That's why rules are put in place though Pete.

If I took the 1100 out on the track for a rider training day under the impression that undertaking was not allowed and some prick pulled a similar manoeuvre as shown in the photos I would happily inflicted grievious bodily harm on the prick.

Let's not forget, this was not a racing incident.

Right! He broke the rules which you appear to regard as sacrosanct but you would knowingly break the law to deliberately and maliciously inflict injury on someone because they made a mistake in breaking a rule which ended up in an accident in which you and your bike were damaged. Not a good idea. You would end up in jail for breaking the law and have to pay him victims compensation, While he wouldn't have broken any laws so wouldn't have to compensate you.