What does KB think i should do to this prick?

[Kickaha]

so seeing we drive on the left hand side of the road, undertaking is when you go past a person on the left side , as per the road rules,

Passing on the inside of the corner regardless of what way you are turning

[Subike]

Passing on the inside of the corner regardless of what way you are turning

Thank you for that clarification, such a nice simple answer
Pity Mr Know it all was not as knowledgeable or polite.

Now some readers who have not ridden on a track, may understand better

[Crasherfromwayback]

That's why rules are put in place though Pete.

If I took the 1100 out on the track for a rider training day under the impression that undertaking was not allowed and some prick pulled a similar manoeuvre as shown in the photos I would happily inflicted grievious bodily harm on the prick.

Let's not forget, this was not a racing incident.

I hear ya. You'd be allowed to get upset. It's an 1100 Katana after all! But a clip round the ear for the other cunt sure...but bloody hard to make him pay up for ya smashed bike etc.

[PrincessBandit]

Thank you for that clarification, such a nice simple answer
Pity Mr Know it all was not as knowledgeable or polite.

Now some readers who have not ridden on a track, may understand better

I have never ridden on a track but would have assumed that "undertaking" was what Kickaha said - didn't think it took much to figure out. But hey, what would I know.

[Subike]

I have never ridden on a track but would have assumed that "undertaking" was what Kickaha said - didn't think it took much to figure out. But hey, what would I know.

some of us do have the common sense to work this out yes,

But others may not, hence on group rides I have seen muppets undertake on the inside.

Quite a few of them not so young of age, or small of bike, if you know what I mean.

[The Singing Chef]

Personally I think that the other rider should pay up, or at the very least fess up and do his best to help sort out the bike etc...
I'm in group 3 as well and there are often some pretty close passes, some were within touching distance turning into corners and some were under braking into the hairpin and pretty much everywhere else, but at none of those points was I tightening my line or coming up to the apex and when I had the opportunity to pass people (not often ) I would give them plenty of space as the apex was coming up soonish but I knew that I could get through.

With the OP's pictures, the muppet was clearly trying to fit into a gap that didn't really exist, and even if there was one it would be stupid to try and pass there. At the start of the day we are told no undertaking, and not to do any dodgy passing as it is only a training day and it doesn't matter if you lose a couple of seconds off your lap time (not that anyone is timing) and to pass in a safe place, which can be easy to do if you know how to get a stronger drive out of corners.

Even if the rider had over cooked it, it is still his responsibility as he should at this stage, know what speed, gear, position etc... that he needs to be in for the corner and therefore it is his stupidity either way that caused the accident, case and point.

I would be damn pissed off as well if the same happened to me, and it doesn't matter that it is on the track at a training day. It isn't a place for stupid shit and the offending rider should instead 'suck it up' and come forward and sort this charade out.

[Madness]

So, 20 pages in and counting. Has the OP managed to contact the other rider yet?

[Katman]

Right! He broke the rules which you appear to regard as sacrosanct

So on one hand we have someone who (according to you) sees a "sacrosanct" rule broken and on the other we have someone who's opinion is "fuck the rules".

Which do you think has more validity?

[tigertim20]

That's why rules are put in place though Pete.

If I took the 1100 out on the track for a rider training day under the impression that undertaking was not allowed and some prick pulled a similar manoeuvre as shown in the photos I would happily inflicted grievious bodily harm on the prick.

Let's not forget, this was not a racing incident.

If you were stupid enough to take your bike onto the track without first making sure that your insurer covered you for a trackday (and many will and do provide this cover) then yeah, tough shit. Its a race track, at speed things happen, if its a track day and not a race, theres an argument that people are likely to be learning to go fast, rather than be experienced race-pace riders, making incidents more likely to occur.
If you didnt sort your insurance out, dont bitch that your bike's fucked and you're out of pocket. - thats what insurance is for.

[flyingcrocodile46]

So on one hand we have someone who (according to you) sees a "sacrosanct" rule broken and on the other we have someone who's opinion is "fuck the rules".

Which do you think has more validity?

How can you not see the point I was making was that of the irony in your approach to the situation. That you should think it's ok to break the law (as in mandatory compliance or jail/fine) in order to inflict a beating on someone because they broke a rule (like in sports games).

Isn't it more likely that your real motivation would be a need for revenge because you feel like he just assaulted you rather than because of a sense of fair play?

[FJRider]

So on one hand we have someone who (according to you) sees a "sacrosanct" rule broken and on the other we have someone who's opinion is "fuck the rules".

Which do you think has more validity?

Rules ... that are difficult to enforce. Rules ... that are difficult to punish those that break them. Rules ... that contain little weight in any court of law.

[Asher]

Next track day im going to covertly take out as many people as i can can try to do as much damage as possible.
When they bitch and moan at me i will just say "whoops, sorry mate hope you get your bike fixed soon".
Would you guys have a problem with that? Its there fault if they have no insurance right?

[Katman]

if its a race and not a track day,

You really are stupid, aren't you?

[D3ADLYTuna]

I have since spoken to him. He does not reside on KB.
He has offered to pay HALF my insurance excess being half of $1500.
He told me he was performing a safe pass based on his judgement prior
to the incident, It appears that Me following my line as opposed to running wide pre-apex
was not a good thing to do.

For those who have ridden puke, where is your apex on Ford Corner/rise.
Mine was at the end of the rumble strip where there is a patch of concrete.
I followed the instruction given to me being: Come into the corner from the middle of
the track, apex at the end of the rumble strip and on the gas hard puts you basically
out wide down the straight without too much lean or potential loss of traction.
This was to allow smooth cornering and to get on the gas hard once you line up your apex.

I'm no racer, but I did try to save it by tipping back in. Obviously did not work.

I'm not trying to take him to court, its in the hands of insurance (Swann maxi rider)

He is a nice bloke who thought he was going to be OK undertaking pre apex, regardless of the stipulated
no undertaking rule. Which I would not normally have had a problem with, had he tried to do it post apex.

I would like to hear where people put the fast line apex at, through that corner, and is it not reasonable to
expect a rider, particularly with experience on the track to know the lines and be able to perceive a defensive/ fast line which
would not enable others to pass mid corner.

Not that I was trying to stop anybody passing me, just following the line I was told to, and it was working well for me.

What works for you?

[FJRider]

Would you guys have a problem with that? Its there fault if they have no insurance right?

Now having stated your intention ... organisers have now a reason to take legal action against you if you did ...

And ... a valid reason for those you came into contact with you (intentially or otherwise) on a trackday ... to take legal action against you.