What does KB think i should do to this prick?

**D3ADLYTuna** · 5th September 2012, 19:11

Originally Posted by Virago

Just out of interest, has there been any admission of attempted undertaking? Is it possible it was a failed attempt at avoiding a collision with someone who braked early and hard? Just sayin' like...

Yes he admitted he was trying to undertake me as he thought there was sufficient room, judging by the photos posted, there was clearly not enough room, and I was clearly still heading in to the apex. It was he mis calculation and his failed attempt to undertake yet I'm the one who has to have broken bones and pay more on insurance because of his failure to judge the corner and rider properly. All this is admitted via email. Which I still have, not that I will post it here.
I was not braking, neither was he, he purposefully tried to undertake me and if you look closely he did not even try to brake....
If you read my earlier post you would have read the words; I was accelerating...

**D3ADLYTuna** · 5th September 2012, 19:14

also like to say that I have no problem with race days, and i realise that a race waiver has completely different and very clean stipulations.
The organisers did nothing wrong and their rules and waiver form were in place for a reason. If the other party wants to pass then the onus is on them.
Race hard... Train well. The guy had the option of being a decent person and keeping his word. he didnt, i doubt this will happen often and there has been no updates
to the ART waiver, yet i'm rather sure they would have consulted a lawyer before re releasing it.

**Virago** · 5th September 2012, 19:17

Originally Posted by D3ADLYTuna

...If you read my earlier post you would have read the words; I was accelerating...

Yeah, sorry - I didn't get past Chuck Norris.

**Drew** · 5th September 2012, 19:28

Originally Posted by Katman

If we once start seeing race day organisers stipulating no undertaking then I'd agree we're on a slippery slope.

Until then, if a training day organiser stipulates no undertaking then that's just the way it is.

I have undertaken on track days where it was said not to. The thinking that if you can't so it on the outside, you can't do it safely is bulshit.

I don't believe this Deadfish rooster has experience to say unequivocally that he was taking the same line he had been for laps previous. Or that he'd man up and admit it if he knew he hadn't.

How can we tell from pictures that the other guy didn't try to stop by the way Deadlyguppy?

**Katman** · 5th September 2012, 19:34

Originally Posted by Drew

I have undertaken on track days where it was said not to. The thinking that if you can't so it on the outside, you can't do it safely is bulshit.

Maybe the guy doing the undertaking in this instance isn't the motorcycling god that you are Drew.

**Drew** · 5th September 2012, 19:42

Originally Posted by Katman

Maybe the guy doing the undertaking in this instance isn't the motorcycling god that you are Drew.

One of your redeeming traits Steve, (can I call you Steve? I hate calling someone by KB handles), is you don't usually feel the need for petty sarcasm the way that I do, to make your point.

Maybe the guy being undertaken is a spaz...Like the vaaaaaaast majority of people who attend these training days.

I accept that this guy probably got taken out when he shouldn't have been, while he was doing nothing wrong. I really do, honestly.

But can you accept, that you do not know all the facts, and there is as much chance this dude deserves the broken bones. If you can accept that chance, then why should the other guy have to pay?

**FJRider** · 5th September 2012, 19:45

Originally Posted by D3ADLYTuna

also like to say that I have no problem with race days, and i realise that a race waiver has completely different and very clean stipulations.
The organisers did nothing wrong and their rules and waiver form were in place for a reason. If the other party wants to pass then the onus is on them.
Race hard... Train well. The guy had the option of being a decent person and keeping his word. he didnt, i doubt this will happen often and there has been no updates
to the ART waiver, yet i'm rather sure they would have consulted a lawyer before re releasing it.

At least you were covered by insurance. With a reasonable excess ...

Waivers are usually written for the safety of the organisers ... not those participating in the event. Usually ... they are not worth the paper they're printed on. The keyword is negligence ... You have the right to sue the guy that hit you (or even the organisers). He ... no doubt ... wont have much money, after effecting repairs to his own bike. You (or your insurance company) may win in court ... and be paid back at $5 a week. Or ... if he declares bankrupcy ... nobody gets anything. But you may stil have that court win to cherish ..

And the guy will have few options ... being a decent person, will be unlikely to be one of them.

**avgas** · 5th September 2012, 19:45

Originally Posted by Katman

Someone hitting you from behind is a little hard to anticipate if you've removed your mirrors.

Not really. Not when you have to travel 100kph to a destination to have someone do it to you.

Or did he go for a ride one day and happen to end up halfway around a race track? If so he should really lay off the drugs.

**avgas** · 5th September 2012, 19:51

I have just reviewed the evidence and have concluded.....

Hi-Viz is the only way to survive a training day.

**Katman** · 5th September 2012, 19:52

Originally Posted by Drew

One of your redeeming traits Steve, (can I call you Steve? I hate calling someone by KB handles), is you don't usually feel the need for petty sarcasm the way that I do, to make your point.

Drew, I don't know whether to be offended or flattered.

I thought I wrote the handbook on petty sarcasm.

**FJRider** · 5th September 2012, 19:53

Originally Posted by avgas

I have just reviewed the evidence and have concluded.....

Hi-Viz is the only way to survive a training day.

I have survived every training day I never attended. And hope to continue doing so.

**Drew** · 5th September 2012, 19:55

Originally Posted by Katman

Drew, I don't know whether to be offended or flattered.

I thought I wrote the handbook on petty sarcasm.

No no no. Normally, you are funny in your sarcasm. The petty stuff is the way I operate.

Maybe I just got it wrong because it's directed at me.

**Madness** · 5th September 2012, 20:04

Originally Posted by Katman

Why shouldn't they be held accountable?

The way I see it after reading all the posts since the OP dreged this up again is this.

The training day goes by a different name to the track day but when you look at exactly what the riders were doing at the time and where they were doing it there's little difference to a track day. Then there's the disclaimier and however it is written it still creates an environment different to the more usual environment for motorcycling, the road. People go to a race track (that is what they're called, unfortunate maybe in this case) to either ride at their limits or discover new limits - of control. The only thing that can be argued in my mind is the no undertaking rule, if in fact a rule or maybe a verbal request made by the organisers. Did people agree in writing to adhere to this rule? I bet not.

The other rider has apparently offered to pay some coin. He should honour this, if for no other reason than he agreed to.

The insurance company will not likely pursue a legal case. They will probably threaten action but why would you want to pursue this bitch of a situation for the value of the bike. What the fuck was it anyway, an MV Senna? More like a $5,000 GSXR innit?

OP is a bit of a cock. I didn't post this earlier but why the fuck dredge this up again? Was the horse not truly flogged?