Failed chip seal

[slofox]

SH 23, from The Tron to Raglan, has recently been resealed in places. Some chip seal and some hotmix.

The hotmix is great. It's on the Western side of the hill section - it's 2km of tight twisty stuff and is really nice to ride now on the new hotmix.

The chip seal is mostly on the Eastern side of the hill. This is less steep and less tight but sweeps nicely and can be pretty fast if you are a loony (notmecoughcough!). There are a few bits on other sections of the road as well.

The resealed chip seal bits have been down about a month. All the loose blue is gone and the road should be good to ride.

But this morning I noticed that large patches of the new chip have "fallen off". There are great bald patches in the so-called "repaired" sections. All within a month.

What's with this then? Did the contractor use flour and water paste to stick it down with? Seems like a crap job to me but then I know nothing about road sealing.

Some members on here have spoken with knowledge of sealing practices before. Anyone care to offer informed info?

Thanks.

[MSTRS:Me]

Pfft! Try a straight section on SH2, south end of Dannevegas, 50kph zone. Resealed about 1 month ago. 30kph signs are still out and the entire length of it is shiny black no-chip in both wheel tracks in both directions.
We travel this way frequently, and in fact went through in one direction as the other side was being resealed...2 days later, as we returned, the chip was already gone in places.

[Flip]

Its usually water, wet road or wet chip that stops the tar sticking.

I have seen crews trying to put chip down after the tar has cooled and flashed off with the same result.

Call the local Transit engineer not the council and let him know his nice new SHW road has turned to shit. If he knows he might be able to stop the payment to the contracting company and get it fixed.

[unstuck]

As flip said, water probably the main culprit. Could also be dirty chips, Too much gritty shit on the stones and it will not stick. It,s not those Blacktop fellas doing it is it? They seem to be stuffing up a lot of sealing jobs around the country.

[Oscar]

SH 23, from The Tron to Raglan, has recently been resealed in places. Some chip seal and some hotmix.

The hotmix is great. It's on the Western side of the hill section - it's 2km of tight twisty stuff and is really nice to ride now on the new hotmix.

The chip seal is mostly on the Eastern side of the hill. This is less steep and less tight but sweeps nicely and can be pretty fast if you are a loony (notmecoughcough!). There are a few bits on other sections of the road as well.

The resealed chip seal bits have been down about a month. All the loose blue is gone and the road should be good to ride.

But this morning I noticed that large patches of the new chip have "fallen off". There are great bald patches in the so-called "repaired" sections. All within a month.

What's with this then? Did the contractor use flour and water paste to stick it down with? Seems like a crap job to me but then I know nothing about road sealing.

Some members on here have spoken with knowledge of sealing practices before. Anyone care to offer informed info?

Thanks.

You're wrong.
They didn't fall off in a month.
It took less than a WEEK.

And the useless cunts have done the same stretches about 10 times in the five years I've lived out here.

[Woodman]

You wanna read last nights letters to the editor in the Nelson Mail about dodgy resealing. Someone up here doesn't know what they are doing, its diabolical.

Hopefully the taxpayer doesn't have to pay to fix it. (TUI)

[Oscar]

...and while I'm in the mood for a rant - when the seal does become worn and shiny and fuckin' dangerous in the wet, what do they do?
They put up one of those slippery fucking road signs...cahnts.

[Damantis]

Just enjoy the smooth part while you can. Every summer, that peice of road melts and ripples up. Maybe we should all pay more tax and raise the required quality and standard work on our roads. It's all awarded by tender, and usually the cheapest wins.

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The new chipseal is fucking pathetic, most of the road they have resealed was better before the resealing. And Oscar is right, it fell apart in a few days.

[Smifffy]

Contractor wouldn't be EDI Downer by any chance? Those pricks have fucked up more roads around here than anyone else, including the logging trucks.

[Zedder]

SH 23, from The Tron to Raglan, has recently been resealed in places. Some chip seal and some hotmix.

The hotmix is great. It's on the Western side of the hill section - it's 2km of tight twisty stuff and is really nice to ride now on the new hotmix.

The chip seal is mostly on the Eastern side of the hill. This is less steep and less tight but sweeps nicely and can be pretty fast if you are a loony (notmecoughcough!). There are a few bits on other sections of the road as well.

The resealed chip seal bits have been down about a month. All the loose blue is gone and the road should be good to ride.

But this morning I noticed that large patches of the new chip have "fallen off". There are great bald patches in the so-called "repaired" sections. All within a month.

What's with this then? Did the contractor use flour and water paste to stick it down with? Seems like a crap job to me but then I know nothing about road sealing.

Some members on here have spoken with knowledge of sealing practices before. Anyone care to offer informed info?

Thanks.

From what I remember while working in the roading industry, chip seal repairs (for Open Graded Porous Ashalt) came under TNZ P/11 which is a strict set of rules governing preparation, laying and monitoring afterwards.

Things do go wrong of course in some of the 6 stages however all work has to be signed off by a roading engineer and is guaranteed for 12 months. If the seal loss is greater than 10% the entire work must be redone unless it can be proved patching will be be sufficient.

Phone your council and complain because they have to address the problem.

[Flip]

P11 is a farking expensive open porous seal, its only used in Christchurch that I know. Its a specialist Fulton Hogan seal so I don't think Downers can get their hands on any.

Coarse chip is the cheapest and most often fucked up seal. The problem is they pay fuck all for road workers and they get monkeys.

If you find a bit of bad seal and its a hazard simply *555 and report it as a road hazard, the fucking contractors hate getting a call from the Rozza because they have to do some thing about it.

[Andy67]

SH 23, from The Tron to Raglan, has recently been resealed in places. Some chip seal and some hotmix.

The hotmix is great. It's on the Western side of the hill section - it's 2km of tight twisty stuff and is really nice to ride now on the new hotmix.

The chip seal is mostly on the Eastern side of the hill. This is less steep and less tight but sweeps nicely and can be pretty fast if you are a loony (notmecoughcough!). There are a few bits on other sections of the road as well.

The resealed chip seal bits have been down about a month. All the loose blue is gone and the road should be good to ride.

But this morning I noticed that large patches of the new chip have "fallen off". There are great bald patches in the so-called "repaired" sections. All within a month.

What's with this then? Did the contractor use flour and water paste to stick it down with? Seems like a crap job to me but then I know nothing about road sealing.

Some members on here have spoken with knowledge of sealing practices before. Anyone care to offer informed info?

Thanks.

I had a tankslapper on that road that I will never ever ever forget.

[Zedder]

P11 is a farking expensive open porous seal, its only used in Christchurch that I know. Its a specialist Fulton Hogan seal so I don't think Downers can get their hands on any.

Coarse chip is the cheapest and most often fucked up seal. The problem is they pay fuck all for road workers and they get monkeys.

If you find a bit of bad seal and its a hazard simply *555 and report it as a road hazard, the fucking contractors hate getting a call from the Rozza because they have to do some thing about it.

P/11 is the specification for the process of laying chip seal not an open porous seal itself. Chip for roads (and all aggregates for that matter) must be of the approved standard under NZ Transport Agency (but still called TNZ) specifications.

[MSTRS:Me]

If you find a bit of bad seal and its a hazard simply *555 and report it as a road hazard, the fucking contractors hate getting a call from the Rozza because they have to do some thing about it.

I've made several complaints to a local authority responsible for the road in question. Problem was never fixed. In fact, I've had the roading engineer wallah effectively tell me to fuck off, I don't know what I'm talking about.