teenage road deaths

[MSTRS:Me]

Is it a fact? Can you prove that it's not because they travel more kms than the other age groups? Or that they're more likely to be carrying a full load of passengers thus they appear overrepresented the data. I see it everyday when I go into Uni. I haven't seen anyone other than students car pooling.

Yes, it is a fact. Has always been so. It has nothing to do with kms travelled either. Multiple deaths are also a greater factor now for reasons stated earlier in this thread, in addition to there being way more cars on the roads too. You do have a point re 'carpooling', but it doesn't seem to be a problem in this situation per se.

[Biff]

What about reducing their CC rating that they are allowed to drive.

I'd vote for that. And while they're at it they should make insurance compulsary - then we'll see how many youngsters can afford to keep a high powered cages on the road - legally. Sure there will be some that'll kill themselves in older, less powerful motors, but I'll bet my arse that the fatality figures as a whole would drop.

[Fluffy Cat]

Some of you guys must work where i work, ban this check sheet for that etc.
Keep forgetting human nature, might as well ban trees.
You can do a bit of teaching show the results of accidents etc but these things happen we might reduce them but teens have a habit of doing these things over and over......

[SPman]

Keep forgetting human nature, might as well ban trees.
You can do a bit of teaching show the results of accidents etc but these things happen we might reduce them but teens have a habit of doing these things over and over......

and have been doing so for hundreds - nay - thousands of years.

[scumdog]

Damn looks like I needed a 7 point mean, but anyway it shows the trend fairly well.

Also even this is missing significant pieces of information, such as who was at fault, alchohol consumed. Anyway considering that the population has grown by a million people (a third). It's a dramatic decrease in road toll over time.

But you'll never convince Lou....

[MSTRS:Me]

One of the 2 injured in the crash that started this thread has now died. And on last nights' news it was stated that 15-24yo males are 7x more likely to kill themselves on the roads than any other age group.

[scumdog]

One of the 2 injured in the crash that started this thread has now died. And on last nights' news it was stated that 15-24yo males are 7x more likely to kill themselves on the roads than any other age group.

But they drive better than the average driver, have faster reactions etc etc they'll tell you that themselves

[MSTRS:Me]

But they drive better than the average driver, have faster reactions etc etc they'll tell you that themselves

You forgot to mention the improvement that comes as a result of drinking & peer pressure

[Lou Girardin]

he is 23yrs however he has been driving motor cars since he was 12yrs(thats another story) and has never crashed his average open road speed is
140-180kph

If that's true and not the bullshit it appears to be, because it means he travels constantly at well over 200k's, prepare yourself for another funeral. He'll not be around long.

[Lou Girardin]

But you'll never convince Lou....

Funny how the graph stops at '03. Is that because the graph starts heading up again?

[scumdog]

See, whatdidItellyou?

Nah, it still is dropping per capita/km travelled.

Except for suicidal types as per the weekend - but wait, there was speed involved!!

Speed Limits? - Lets leave it to "personal judgment" - now THERE'S a side-splitting line used by somebody on this forum!!!!

[Lou Girardin]

The problem with modern cars is not their top speed, but their acceleration. They slingshot their inexperienced drivers into dangerous situations far too fast.
There needs to a lift in the driving age and restrictions on cars newbies can drive. No forced induction types and a max power to weight ratio.
These restrictions then need to be enforced. Drive past any secondary school and watch the carloads of kids leaving. I'm damn sure they're not all on full licences.
But, as usual, this will all be too hard for the LTNZ, they'll make a few more lame ads, and raise the Police speed tax budget.

[scumdog]

The problem with modern cars is not their top speed, but their acceleration. They slingshot their inexperienced drivers into dangerous situations far too fast.
There needs to a lift in the driving age and restrictions on cars newbies can drive. No forced induction types and a max power to weight ratio.
These restrictions then need to be enforced. Drive past any secondary school and watch the carloads of kids leaving. I'm damn sure they're not all on full licences.
But, as usual, this will all be too hard for the LTNZ, they'll make a few more lame ads, and raise the Police speed tax budget.

I agree in principle Lou but that last multi-death was not caused by somebody just accelerating up to 50KPH or a little over, it WAS the excess speed that was a major factor.

Roadside inpounds for breaches of Restricte/Learner licences would straighten things up pretty damn quick as most of them don't give a toss about the ticket (although the loss of licence after 4 tickets cools them off a bit) and come up with lame excuses for their breach of R/L licence, normally staring with "I was just....".

A lot say "gimme the ticket, I'm not going to pay it, I'll just do P.D. instead"

[TonyB]

Had my full license in a year. Took my L restriction from 6mths to 3 by driving around with a instructor, did a defensive driving course for my restricted and shortened that from 18mths to 9. Think I was 15 when I got my learners (14yrs ago.)

As there was a fairly brief period between when the open road limit was raised from 80 to 100k and the introduction of the staged licence thingy for cars, I can say that I am one of the fairly small group of people who were allowed to drive at 100km/h at any time of the day and with a car full of mates as soon as I sat my licence.

I got my licence back when a well off kid could afford a Mk 3 Cortina, or maybe a Capri. V8's were becoming rare. I actually laughed when I saw the first Jap car with mags etc in Nelson- it was unheard of. The current licencing scheme was devised way back then, when all the boys could buy was a basic family car.

The law needs revising- yes they will still get themselves in trouble, but if they are in a standard Lancer instead of a GSR (180KW) or an EVO (205KW), they are going to be going a whole lot slower.

[MSTRS:Me]

As there was a fairly brief period between when the open road limit was raised from 80 to 100k and the introduction of the staged licence thingy for cars, I can say that I am one of the fairly small group of people who were allowed to drive at 100km/h at any time of the day and with a car full of mates as soon as I sat my licence.

I got my licence back when a well off kid could afford a Mk 3 Cortina, or maybe a Capri. V8's were becoming rare. I actually laughed when I saw the first Jap car with mags etc in Nelson- it was unheard of. The current licencing scheme was devised way back then, when all the boys could buy was a basic family car.

The law needs revising- yes they will still get themselves in trouble, but if they are in a standard Lancer instead of a GSR (180KW) or an EVO (205KW), they are going to be going a whole lot slower.

Full bike & car before those days myself. A Mk3 Cortina would have been the shizz. One mate of mine was allowed to use his parent's LJ Torana 2.8lt 6cyl and the fun we had in that you wouldn't want said parents to hear about - but the average fuel injected family car of today would eat that Torana.