teenage road deaths

[Lou Girardin]

See, whatdidItellyou?

Nah, it still is dropping per capita/km travelled.

Except for suicidal types as per the weekend - but wait, there was speed involved!!

Speed Limits? - Lets leave it to "personal judgment" - now THERE'S a side-splitting line used by somebody on this forum!!!!

Calling 130 in a 50 "speeding" is like saying a paralytic driver was slightly pissed.
Funny how these "known boy-racer" areas are known to everyone but the local cops.

[Lou Girardin]

I agree in principle Lou but that last multi-death was not caused by somebody just accelerating up to 50KPH or a little over, it WAS the excess speed that was a major factor.

Roadside inpounds for breaches of Restricte/Learner licences would straighten things up pretty damn quick as most of them don't give a toss about the ticket (although the loss of licence after 4 tickets cools them off a bit) and come up with lame excuses for their breach of R/L licence, normally staring with "I was just....".

A lot say "gimme the ticket, I'm not going to pay it, I'll just do P.D. instead"

If he wasn't in turbo pocket rocket he may not have been able to attain 130 so quickly, if he'd been doing 100k's he may not have lost control.
The problem with roadside impounds is that you guys use it like a broadsword when it should be used like a rapier. But I guess you can't give some cops powers and not let them play with them.

[scumdog]

Calling 130 in a 50 "speeding" is like saying a paralytic driver was slightly pissed.
Funny how these "known boy-racer" areas are known to everyone but the local cops.

Oh they are, they are - but there are only so many cops to go around and the old txt springs most cunning plans, the BR set just move off to fresher pastures until the "local cops" leave.

The public need to sharpen their act too, reporting something the next day is too late (assuming somebody could attend at the time) and a lot have no idea of regos/car descriptions etc and in any case 'don't want to get involved' until after the event when they stand around saying "I knew this would happen, 'THEY' should have done something about it"....

[Beemer]

One of the 2 injured in the crash that started this thread has now died. And on last nights' news it was stated that 15-24yo males are 7x more likely to kill themselves on the roads than any other age group.

Unless you know something we don't, this is what the latest on Stuff has: "Two survivors of a horror crash in Hastings on Friday which killed four of their friends were in a serious but stable condition in hospital this morning."

[mstriumph]

hey, to be fair - EVERYBODY drives better than the average driver, don't we ?

But they drive better than the average driver, have faster reactions etc etc they'll tell you that themselves

[mstriumph]

over here in west australia the police have started confiscating vehicles under some circumstances ---- too soon to notice any statistical trend though

...........it WAS the excess speed that was a major factor.

Roadside inpounds for breaches of Restricte/Learner licences would straighten things up pretty damn quick as most of them don't give a toss about the ticket (although the loss of licence after 4 tickets cools them off a bit) and come up with lame excuses for their breach of R/L licence, normally staring with "I was just....".

A lot say "gimme the ticket, I'm not going to pay it, I'll just do P.D. instead"

[yungatart]

Oh they are, they are - but there are only so many cops to go around and the old txt springs most cunning plans, the BR set just move off to fresher pastures until the "local cops" leave.

The public need to sharpen their act too, reporting something the next day is too late (assuming somebody could attend at the time) and a lot have no idea of regos/car descriptions etc and in any case 'don't want to get involved' until after the event when they stand around saying "I knew this would happen, 'THEY' should have done something about it"....

How about when you do report this type of behaviour to the police and they don't DO anything. Description of car, time and place are not enough, they need a rego no. As said car was speeding down our quiet residential street with no lights on at 11pm , pray tell me how am I supposed to get that info- stand in the middle of the road with a torch???

[Lou Girardin]

How about when you do report this type of behaviour to the police and they don't DO anything. Description of car, time and place are not enough, they need a rego no. As said car was speeding down our quiet residential street with no lights on at 11pm , pray tell me how am I supposed to get that info- stand in the middle of the road with a torch???

Try standing at the side of the road with a brick. More effective than any *555 call.

[MSTRS:Me]

Try standing at the side of the road with a brick. More effective than any *555 call.

Vigilanteism (sp)? I LOVE THAT IDEA.

[yungatart]

Try standing at the side of the road with a brick. More effective than any *555 call.

Love it! Only problem is I don't have a brick.... but I could use my cell phone-its not so tiny!!

[MSTRS:Me]

This illustrates perfectly that there is FUCK ALL that we can do about it.
Tonight's paper reports that as a crowd of young people watched the car being removed from the tree, that some of them went to some lengths to brag to police about how fast they drove their cars (that is, not how fast the police drive, but the teenagers). NOTHING will get thru to this sort of knuckledragger.

[spudchucka]

How about when you do report this type of behaviour to the police and they don't DO anything. Description of car, time and place are not enough, they need a rego no.

Minor details like registration numbers make all the difference. I couldn't count the number of well meaning people that report bad driving and give a description as being a blue car with shiny wheels, or something similar to that.

Comms: Ten one units, in the course of your patrols be on the look out for a blue car with chrome wheels, report of bad driving on Such&Such Street, time delay of fifteen minutes, nil rego, only description as being a blue car with shiny wheels, direction of travel towards BlahBlah Street.

Cops: Copy, we'll keep a look out for a blue car. Hey theres one now, and another, shit they're everywhere. Ahhhh, K-1 comms, ten three.

[yungatart]

That brick is looking like the only option then...

[Pixie]

I fell off the couch tonight when the moron media said that the occupants weren't wearing seatbelts.
How could they tell?
They had enough trouble identifying the make of car.
As if it would make a difference in a car that went sideways into a tree at 130kph, and then did a good impression of a sunbeam mixmaster.
The comment apparently came from the police;
I can't just see it...
"They weren't wearing seatbelts" said Officer Porky.
And to prove that,however unlikely something might be,nothing is impossible.
He flaps his wings,kicks off with his trotters,and with a little oink,flies off into the distance.

[James Deuce]

This illustrates perfectly that there is FUCK ALL that we can do about it.
Tonight's paper reports that as a crowd of young people watched the car being removed from the tree, that some of them went to some lengths to brag to police about how fast they drove their cars (that is, not how fast the police drive, but the teenagers). NOTHING will get thru to this sort of knuckledragger.

Yup. You have to start with your own kids, as I know you've done, right from birth. Attitude is everything. I had the privilege of teaching drums to a young man (he was 14 when he started lessons) who avoided all the standard attitudinal issues teenage blokes go through. The reason? Swift discipline from his Dad, a fantastic bloke, and at the time I met them a just retired NZ Army Major. Every time he stepped out of line, or was disrespectful he was reeled in, irrespective of situation or social accepotibility. His boundaries were clearly defined, and by 15 he was a rational thinker with an understanding of consequences and the rewards of hard work. One of the fvew pupils I've had who practiced most of the time, and never lied to me about NOT having practiced.

DIscipline is everything. Discipline is not whacking people. Discipline is the strength of character to respond appropriately to a difficult situation. It requires training to be effective. Parents are the trainers in this case. or not.