Property costs in NZ - the heart of evil

**Woodman** · 18th November 2013, 22:09

Originally Posted by BMWST?

jesus we already pay...twice,as taxpayers and ratepayers!

Three times if you take into account our property values going down because of the increase in cheaper houses.

**Brian d marge** · 18th November 2013, 23:08

Got to hand it to them, they can fk better than my wife, well and truely fked by the time they have finished
Stephen

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**superjackal** · 30th November 2013, 18:18

This may have been covered but cost to build is the heart of evil at the moment not house prices. You're better off shifting than improving. Fucking nuts.

**98tls** · 30th November 2013, 18:30

Originally Posted by superjackal

This may have been covered but cost to build is the heart of evil at the moment not house prices. You're better off shifting than improving. Fucking nuts.

My partner and i have been doing up an old place for years,best thing i ever did was years back become a member of the local working mens club at a cost of $25 a year,since then theres been a constant trail of retired builders/plumbers/electricians tilers etc that have a lifetime of experience and are happy to work for $20 an hour and a cuppa.

**mashman** · 8th December 2013, 17:48

Plans for incredible $10b 'floating city' How to make property more affordable in 2 years? If supply has to outdo demand before house prices become maintainable, then you need lots of houses quite quickly. Build 4 of these around Auckland, but build offices. It'll free up most business premises for housing conversion.

**Ocean1** · 8th December 2013, 18:49

Originally Posted by mashman

Plans for incredible $10b 'floating city' How to make property more affordable in 2 years? If supply has to outdo demand before house prices become maintainable, then you need lots of houses quite quickly. Build 4 of these around Auckland, but build offices. It'll free up most business premises for housing conversion.

Not economic. The idea's been around for a while, mostly as a sort of super cruise ship with long term tenants, for which the costs almost stack up.

They stack up better if you declare it an independent state and manage to make it stick. That way your tenants aren't paying tax in two places at the same time.

**mashman** · 8th December 2013, 19:15

Originally Posted by Ocean1

Not economic. The idea's been around for a while, mostly as a sort of super cruise ship with long term tenants, for which the costs almost stack up.

They stack up better if you declare it an independent state and manage to make it stick. That way your tenants aren't paying tax in two places at the same time.

No doubt. But practical as offices and for addressing several other issues. I think they call it speculating to accumulate or some such shit. China's doing it.

**badlieutenant** · 9th December 2013, 14:44

Im not surprised Fletchers didn't reply to the news article. As i understand it they own much of the building sector supply chain. Firth concrete. placemakers, (cant remeber the name ) large plywood manufacturer and winstone to name a few.
I worked on the waitakarei hospital and was talking to one of the high-ups in fletchers interiors and he commented that fletchers interiors never made a profit. Its a write off for tax and they make their margins on the materials thru other companies they own. To ensure its their suppliers they undercut any tender for the work.
As for these kick backs to builders Im missing out dammit. I suspect its for the big developers. These developers screw builders down on price. I wont touch them if i can help it. We call most of them shit boxes. They meet requirement but there is bugger all quality to them simply because you would be working for minimum wage if you did do things like straighten bents studs for example.
I like to build like its my own house.

**Ocean1** · 30th December 2013, 08:56

So, now the that problem's become an election issue who's got the better answers?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post...g-over-housing

**neels** · 30th December 2013, 09:43

There are some things there that are significant.

Overseas money is a big factor, we just sold a house in chch and the 3 offers we got were from asians, and were all dependent on them getting their money from overseas. That's money coming into the market that locals don't have access to and can't compete with.

Cost of compliance is a huge factor and getting bigger all the time.

Christchurch is a big influence and also a bit of an anomoly at the moment, due to the number of houses that have literally disappeared both for people to own and rent, only time is going to fix that.

**mashman** · 30th December 2013, 11:32

Originally Posted by Ocean1

So, now the that problem's become an election issue who's got the better answers?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post...g-over-housing

Me.

Can't wait to see how it unfolds... and can't wait to piss myself laughing when neither party delivers.

**Ocean1** · 26th March 2014, 19:26

I want their profits for that year, distributed to their customers by way of reimbursement.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/indu...r-price-fixing

**mashman** · 26th March 2014, 21:49

Originally Posted by Ocean1

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/indu...r-price-fixing

... why would anyone do such a thing

**badlieutenant** · 26th March 2014, 22:21

gee, fletchers must have been shamed by carter holts poor methods >>>>> "Fletcher Distribution, operating Placemakers, reported the scheme to the Commerce Commission in January 2013 under a cartel leniency program."