Stoner to retire

[codgyoleracer]

i got the pleasure of watching Troy Bailess race at his local dirt track club for hte first time in 10 years earlier in the year, (in a Town called Taree a few hours north of Sydney) my first experince watching aussie dirt track, he was pitting out of a van and had the biggest smile on his face, looked like he was just having a great time, if Stoner could go back and enjoy racing it would be a good thing imo

Very Cool

[codgyoleracer]

the problem with the discussion tha technology has made riders better is twofold
One, you cant actually compare guys from different eras on the same machines fairly, as they wont both be in their prime at the same time, and youd need a totally new bike and track to each rider to make a fair test.

secondly, as time passes, we learn more. Most riders will agree that the greatest tool of all is the mind, knowing you can push through that corner with an extra 5km if you need to, knowing where your edege of grip is for the tyres, etc etc. As time goes on more doscoveries are made, and I would argue that as a result, the average racers understanding of bikes, tracks, and all that goes inbetween has greatly increased as well.

Its not just about technology, its about learning. The newer generation takes the stuff that we took 20 years to learn as a starting point, then get to add to it with their own 20 years of experience, and so on.

Technology is irrelevant, Its real simple. The guy's that can regularily go into both fast and slow turns on the point of tucking the front, then save it with the gas earlier than our watching eyes can see it , are appropriatly called aliens. No matter how fast computers get - the alien brains will be one step ahead and simply treat the technology as a tool to be abused to its total limit.

Hope that makes sense ?

GW

[Macontour]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vl4wf...eature=related
and this one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yw24pY6ScNA

[tigertim20]

HaHa, i like your style,,,,,,,,, I just wish you knew what you were talking about.

care to point out my errors? or are you a stoner fanboy?

Technology is irrelevant, Its real simple. The guy's that can regularily go into both fast and slow turns on the point of tucking the front, then save it with the gas earlier than our watching eyes can see it , are appropriatly called aliens. No matter how fast computers get - the alien brains will be one step ahead and simply treat the technology as a tool to be abused to its total limit.

Hope that makes sense ?

GW

What you are saying ties into my point - it is the brain of the rider that makes the difference. They guy that can understand what is required, and apply it is a more important factor than if the bike has abs etc etc fitted to it.
What I was saying was that understandings of physics, tyre construction, suspension etc has grown. The guys that are aliens take this info, and figure out how they can use their skills to take advantage of the knowledge they have. I dont think that this is something that, at the fine edge, can be learnt, its something some poeple have inside them, they just need to discover it and develop it.

Some people dont have the head and/or the balls for it, some do.

[HenryDorsetCase]

i got the pleasure of watching Troy Bailess race at his local dirt track club for hte first time in 10 years earlier in the year, (in a Town called Taree a few hours north of Sydney) my first experince watching aussie dirt track, he was pitting out of a van and had the biggest smile on his face, looked like he was just having a great time, if Stoner could go back and enjoy racing it would be a good thing imo

There was a Cycle World article last year I think about some guy who had raced at the top top level and retired, and we was racing local flattrack in the US on a vintage CR MX engined bike, and loving it. Cant remember who it was now.

[denill]

“But I never stopped trying. No matter how much criticism I got for riding the Ducati. No matter how much criticism I got for crashing and different things like this in the past. This has all helped, to be honest, to arrive at the point where I am today and make my decision a little easier." And other reasons:

And who are the personality bashers going to dwell on now?

[Crasherfromwayback]

Gotta love Crashers views on racers, he wouldn't be an Aussi ?.
Can't stand riders who get up and bleat about their bikes/races the modern bikes have made it possible with the electronic aids for more riders to get on the pace. Has this been to the detriment of the sport?
Were would Stoner rate in the all time greats ? lets make it easier say from Sheen, K Roberts era to now.

Funnily enough I'm a Kiwi and I actually think most Aussies are cocksuckers having lived over there for a while. But I've been watching racing long enough to know and admire an awesome talent. Something you're obviously not able to do. All your posts scream out is " I actually know fuck all about motorcycle racing"

You're aware that Stoner has already won more races than Rainey, Revvin Kevin and Lawson eh? I mean...not like those guys were squids eh?

You know he uses less electronics than everyone else eh? You know he's beaten Rossi more than Rossi has beaten him eh?

Yep. He's fucking useless.

[Crasherfromwayback]

26 years old and over 20 years racing motorcycles - just go and get a life Casey.

Absofuckinglutely.

[SS90]

Funnily enough I'm a Kiwi and I actually think most Aussies are cocksuckers having lived over there for a while. But I've been watching racing long enough to know and admire an awesome talent. Something you're obviously not able to do. All your posts scream out is " I actually know fuck all about motorcycle racing"

You're aware that Stoner has already won more races than Rainey, Revvin Kevin and Lawson eh? I mean...not like those guys were squids eh?

You know he uses less electronics than everyone else eh? You know he's beaten Rossi more than Rossi has beaten him eh?

Yep. He's fucking useless.

Yea, you are right about this, I suspect that he gets so much negative comments because he simply lacks the charisma of all the names you have mentioned...... When someone has charisma,
They can get away with so much, and people simply have selective memories. Rossi has blatantly
cheated several times, but officials take no action, because,he is a draw card, world wide, plain and simple.

In my opinion, Stoner opitimises the " I love winning" Aussie that, quite frankly, is boorish.

Most of the time, he failed to entertain us in a meaningful way, both of the track and on.

Pesonally I don't like the way his Wife started getting her claws in at the age of 13.... It is almost like an arranged marriage, but, meh, it's not my life, and doesn't change the fact that he is currently the best rider in the world, by a fairly big margin.

MotoGP will suffer with his exit, I am sure.

[Crasherfromwayback]

care to point out my errors? or are you a stoner fanboy?


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Why do the haters think you have to be queer to recognize/love raw talent?

[Crasherfromwayback]

Yea, you are right about this, I suspect that he gets so much negative comments because he simply lacks the charisma of all the names you have mentioned...... When someone has charisma,
They can get away with so much, and people simply have selective memories. Rossi has blatantly
cheated several times, but officials take no action, because,he is a draw card, world wide, plain and simple.

In my opinion, Stoner opitimises the " I love winning" Aussie that, quite frankly, is boorish.

Most of the time, he failed to entertain us in a meaningful way, both of the track and on.

MotoGP will suffer with his exit, I am sure.

I agree with you. I think he's a boring as batshit. Until he puts the visor down. And that's all that matters to me. And for me...yep, Moto GP will lose one of the fastest guys to ever race a motorcycle. But there'll be another Stoner dropped off by the church of scientology (that is where aliens come from innit?) soon enough I'm sure.

[Crasherfromwayback]

There was a Cycle World article last year I think about some guy who had raced at the top top level and retired, and we was racing local flattrack in the US on a vintage CR MX engined bike, and loving it. Cant remember who it was now.

The Clean Freak. John Kocinski. A 79 CR250 engined flattracker. Rachel has a gorgeous 79 CR250. They go amazingly well for a 33 year old 250 smoker.

[merv]

The story denill posted above shows what an honest bloke Stoner is - no bullshit from him. He is the winningest rider since 2006 - that's pretty consistent to do so over a six year period. As for charisma he was certainly different (as in quieter) than the average brash loud mouthed Aussie, but he sure had the witty responses ready when he needed them as people like Rossi found out.

[gammaguy]

Maybe Honda will snap up Lorenzo and Rossi will go back to Yamama?

maybe Honda and Yamaha will decide moto GP has lost its way and pull out altogether,and who could blame them?

Premier class?very debateable.

I think Stoner is doing the right thing,among other reasons he knows the golden Era shows little signs of returning.

[BMWST?]

Gotta love Crashers views on racers, he wouldn't be an Aussi ?.
Can't stand riders who get up and bleat about their bikes/races the modern bikes have made it possible with the electronic aids for more riders to get on the pace. Has this been to the detriment of the sport?
Were would Stoner rate in the all time greats ? lets make it easier say from Sheen, K Roberts era to now.

i will tell you ...who is the greatest rider of the current era in terms of world championships? Rossi right?
Who is the only rider who has beaten him in a whole seasons straight up competition.?
Thats the greatest