Isle Of Man TT article

[manxkiwi]

[QUOTE=k14;1130327860]Lol, um I think not. If you want to use the previous example of motogp Simo was the first casualty since Kato in 2002. So in 9 years of MotoGP of around 18 races a season are you saying that isn't cumulatively less than 1 TT?? A MotoGP race is still 110km in distance, plus the 3 practice sessions One death is classed as a good year for the TT. It is just crazy.

An off the top of the head comment admitedly. I was referring to the entire history, where the TT has a 40 odd year head start. I think 1 TT would equate to an entire season of GP (probably???).

No one ever thinks one death is 'a good year'. Though I guess you don't mean that in the literal sense?

I think one thing that gets people up in arms about this racing stuff; is that when someone 'cops it', it's usually incredibly violent and witnessed. When the three people died coming down off Everst the other day, no one saw it, it didn't blow up in a fire ball. People just say 'those poor people copped it'. No one ever says they have to be saved from themselves do they?

Living is a dangerous thing, the rest has been done to death (pardon the pun), no need to add any more.

[manxkiwi]

Just checked some of the mileage from last year: Total mileage of completed race laps only: 46,813 (miles). Double the sidecar miles because there's two competitors: 53,606 miles. You could probably round that up to 150,000 with practice, most competitors get beween 4 to 6 laps each night of practice. Of which there 6. 80 competitiors per class, of which there are 5

18 riders 18 rounds by 110km is: 35,640kms. Plus practice, say 80,000. Add the other two classes, which are bigger. I'd reckon one TT would be very similar to one full season of all classes in GP.

[SWERVE]

Yes the IOM is dangerous......... so are smoking / drinking / eating fatty food along with any sport involving speed or contact (how many A&E departmnts are clogged by rugby injuries on a sat eve)
Nobody holds a gun to the head of any competitor / mad sunday rider / or spectator who goes to the island.
Those who have been will know that the memory remains forever. And the addiction felt by many riders to return against all sane advice is testimony to the "buzz" it gives.
If ya havent been.......... dont judge.......make a bucket list & put it somewhere near the top..........if ya have..... treasure those awesome memories...............
Im with Spyda
LONG LIVE THE IOM TT

[pritch]

The TT statistics don't usually include the Mad Sunday casualties. The race statistics may compare to Everest fatalities but including the amateurs from the Sunday would change things dramatically.

Probably doesn't help that some of the riders setting out on their Sunday ride are ummm lubricated(?).

The TT is no longer part of the World Championship, the road courses have subsequently become a specialised class of event. These days most riders who are serious about the track give the roads a miss. Rossi, Stoner, Lorenzo and all lose nothing by restricting themselves to the glorified Go-Kart tracks that host GPs these days. That's just how it is now.

Also to say the Simoncelli was the first rider to die since Kato ignores a number of riders who have died in support classes at GP meetings.

[manxkiwi]

The TT statistics don't usually include the Mad Sunday casualties. The race statistics may compare to Everest fatalities but including the amateurs from the Sunday would change things dramatically.

Yeah but why would you? You wouldn't include statistics for every spectator going to and from a GP would you? Just sayin'.

[jellywrestler]

The TT statistics don't usually include the Mad Sunday casualties. The race statistics may compare to Everest fatalities but including the amateurs from the Sunday would change things dramatically.

yep that would have to include the three boston students who died two weekends ago on their way to climb mount tongariro, and the guy heading to kathmandu shop to buy a polyfleece to climb a mountain, who crashed his car and died too.
Go back to your latte and stamp collection and let the real men who chose to race at The Isle of Man go about their business getting their kicks the way they want to in full knowledge of the risks that their choice presents.


One question captain Kirk, do you eat fish and chips? You do know that's a lethal choice as Mike Hailwood; one of the greatest TT legends conquered the Isle of Man TT circuit( FOURTEEN times he won,) then his stupid and dangerous choice to eat fish and chips for dinner on a saturday night literally cost him his life.

[ellipsis]

....and maybe they should take the corkscrew out of Laguna Seca...it looks 'wealy wealy dangawis'...

[k14]

yep that would have to include the three boston students who died two weekends ago on their way to climb mount tongariro, and the guy heading to kathmandu shop to buy a polyfleece to climb a mountain, who crashed his car and died too.
Go back to your latte and stamp collection and let the real men who chose to race at The Isle of Man go about their business getting their kicks the way they want to in full knowledge of the risks that their choice presents.


One question captain Kirk, do you eat fish and chips? You do know that's a lethal choice as Mike Hailwood; one of the greatest TT legends conquered the Isle of Man TT circuit( FOURTEEN times he won,) then his stupid and dangerous choice to eat fish and chips for dinner on a saturday night literally cost him his life.

To be honest I can't remember the last time I did. Although I would rate my chances higher eating them vs racing at the IOM.

As I said, it is my opinion. To me life is a very precious thing and to see people year after year come off the island (or stay there) in a box just seems an absolute waste. Yes people die every day driving their car to work but again the chances are so low that it is an acceptable risk for me. I know it may sound hypocritical to me that I condone track racing but say the IOM is too much. But as I have said, there comes a certain point where the risk outweighs the rewards. To me the IOM is so far past the limit of acceptable risk it just doesn't compute how you could decide to do it. But maybe that's why I was never that good at racing myself.

Going over to have a look certainly isn't on my bucket list. I'll let them be. Already been at too many race meetings where someone has died. Don't want to go to any more.

[Shaun]

To be honest I can't remember the last time I did. Although I would rate my chances higher eating them vs racing at the IOM.

As I said, it is my opinion. To me life is a very precious thing and to see people year after year come off the island (or stay there) in a box just seems an absolute waste. Yes people die every day driving their car to work but again the chances are so low that it is an acceptable risk for me. I know it may sound hypocritical to me that I condone track racing but say the IOM is too much. But as I have said, there comes a certain point where the risk outweighs the rewards. To me the IOM is so far past the limit of acceptable risk it just doesn't compute how you could decide to do it. But maybe that's why I was never that good at racing myself.

Going over to have a look certainly isn't on my bucket list. I'll let them be. Already been at too many race meetings where someone has died. Don't want to go to any more.

I have no exscuse to rant and rave any longer, so will keep myself in check with this post

To state '' IOM racers need there heads read'' is nothing but a total fuckin insult to all the good/true/committed men that have lost there lives by committing themselves to such a true test of themselves in a well known balls out DANGEROUS enviroment.

Kerk or Jerk or what ever your soft cock name is, use the intelligence you have been given ( That allowsyou to ride like a soft cock) and think before you hit the keys with your dribble sport.

If you get bored some times and have nothing better to do, STAY OFF the internet ( Unless you also have a head injury that helps you to make wanker statements)

5 of my PERSONELL friends died there committed to being who they are and what they choise to do with there lives, and I know they are all thanking me now for this post as well as there families.

Have a nice day

[sil3nt]

To me life is a very precious thing and to see people year after year come off the island (or stay there) in a box just seems an absolute waste.

Those who race there would look at you and say you are the one wasting your life. Life is precious so make the most of it while you can. These guys are.

[k14]

I have no exscuse to rant and rave any longer, so will keep myself in check with this post

To state '' IOM racers need there heads read'' is nothing but a total fuckin insult to all the good/true/committed men that have lost there lives by committing themselves to such a true test of themselves in a well known balls out DANGEROUS enviroment.

Kerk or Jerk or what ever your soft cock name is, use the intelligence you have been given ( That allowsyou to ride like a soft cock) and think before you hit the keys with your dribble sport.

If you get bored some times and have nothing better to do, STAY OFF the internet ( Unless you also have a head injury that helps you to make wanker statements)

5 of my PERSONELL friends died there committed to being who they are and what they choise to do with there lives, and I know they are all thanking me now for this post as well as there families.

Have a nice day

Gee that's a really well thought out and mature post...

Somehow I think it helps aid my argument.

Those who race there would look at you and say you are the one wasting your life. Life is precious so make the most of it while you can. These guys are.

Yep I can see where they are coming from but (and as I said, IN MY OPINION) it is not worth the risk. To me life first and foremost is about family and friends. Taking part in the TT not only risks loosing the 30-50 years you are almost guaranteed enjoying life with them but also risks hurting them the most. Everyone remembers the fallen riders but what about the effect on the family (wives, mums, dads, kids) dealing with the loss for years to come. Is a few hours of fast, high adrenaline bike racing really worth that?

[lukemillar]

Lol, um I think not. If you want to use the previous example of motogp Simo was the first casualty since Kato in 2002

Don't forget Shoya Tomizawa in 2010.

[wharfy]

Yep I can see where they are coming from but (and as I said, IN MY OPINION) it is not worth the risk. To me life first and foremost is about family and friends. Taking part in the TT not only risks loosing the 30-50 years you are almost guaranteed enjoying life with them but also risks hurting them the most. Everyone remembers the fallen riders but what about the effect on the family (wives, mums, dads, kids) dealing with the loss for years to come. Is a few hours of fast, high adrenaline bike racing really worth that?

Hundreds of people think it is - which is why they turn up year after year to race there.

[nodrog:Me]

[Stirts]

Yep I can see where they are coming from but (and as I said, IN MY OPINION) it is not worth the risk. To me life first and foremost is about family and friends. Taking part in the TT not only risks loosing the 30-50 years you are almost guaranteed enjoying life with them but also risks hurting them the most. Everyone remembers the fallen riders but what about the effect on the family (wives, mums, dads, kids) dealing with the loss for years to come. Is a few hours of fast, high adrenaline bike racing really worth that?

Another perspective, IN MY OPNION ...

living with the likes of;

The Dunlop boys
Anstey
Martin
McGuinness
And many, many others ...
if they were not allowed to race at IOMTT for the next 30-50 years, you are almost guaranteed that there would be NO enjoying life with them as friends and family !!