Alison Mau - social activist, or attention whore?

[Crasherfromwayback]

The claws always come out for pretty girls from other women

You noticed that too.

What's your excuse then?

[mashman]

What's your excuse then?

I haven't trimmed my nails in a while? (cheap troll too)

[madbikeboy]

I still think Alison's looks play a part in people's opinions in this situation

There is, at least in my view, a profile of women in the "spotlight" who are narcissistic attention seekers by nature - perhaps Nikki Watson, Ali Mau, Sally Ridge / little girl Ridge are good illustrations of this category; and they stand up for stupid causes like being a lesbian or whatever, simply because it gives them attention. In the Ridge's case, they stand up for the cause of being stupid. Point is, the somatic narcissism is the root cause for their need to be in the spotlight and get that attention.

Flipping this for a second - who can you point to and say, "holy shit, she's a wonderful role model"? I can think of Sarah Ulmer, and then I run out of ideas... So, in the vacuum, instead of quality role models and people to respect, this is what we get instead.

Actually, thinking about this, in the vacuum of great male role models and leadership, we get people like John Key running the country...

Now, unless someone starts posting pictures of hot lesbians fisting or whatever, I think this thread is getting boring... [/I]

[Boob Johnson]

You mean I'm getting my claws out?

I'm on Allison's side, I think she is being unfairly picked on, could you not get that from what I said?

Na not you, in general.

[husaberg]

There is, at least in my view, a profile of women in the "spotlight" who are narcissistic attention seekers by nature - perhaps Nikki Watson, Ali Mau, Sally Ridge / little girl Ridge are good illustrations of this category; and they stand up for stupid causes like being a lesbian or whatever, simply because it gives them attention. In the Ridge's case, they stand up for the cause of being stupid. Point is, the somatic narcissism is the root cause for their need to be in the spotlight and get that attention.

Flipping this for a second - who can you point to and say, "holy shit, she's a wonderful role model"? I can think of Sarah Ulmer, and then I run out of ideas... So, in the vacuum, instead of quality role models and people to respect, this is what we get instead.

Actually, thinking about this, in the vacuum of great male role models and leadership, we get people like John Key running the country...

Now, unless someone starts posting pictures of hot lesbians fisting or whatever, I think this thread is getting boring... [/I]

Not lesbian But hot girl on girl (sorry)

Er.... sorry Temepara (You are lovely but have poor choice in blokes) but it seems you are so pretty and hot that even the girls can't keep off you, even the straight ones.

[Winston001]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/lo...s-to-chill-out

Television presenter Ali Mau wants homophobic Kiwis to wake up.

...

Is Ali M just stroking her ego by identifying herself with a hip social trend?

Is Alan Turing rolling in his grave?

Poor brilliant Alan committed suicide which says much about the attitudes of society at that time. Its odd though - the Brits accepted homosexuality with a nod and a wink for generations so we have to wonder if Alan suffered from his own demons. Oscar Wild died early, shortly after being released from prison.

As for Ali Mau - all the newspaper article is doing is reporting her support of Rainbow Youth. She's not attention-seeking or phoning up the Harold to cheerlead the (ahem) fishwife menage.

She has made a personal sexual choice: she is well known...for being well known. That's what we do with people who are on tv. Sad eh.

Her public profile means her active support for a cause catches more attention. We don't have to like it, we don't have to agree with her, but it's foolish to pretend she shouldn't draw publicity. There's possibly a little ego involved but Ali Mau is on tv every week - she doesn't need more attention, she's already in NZs tiny pool of celebrities.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Flipping this for a second - who can you point to and say, "holy shit, she's a wonderful role model"? I can think of Sarah Ulmer, and then I run out of ideas... .. [/I]

That's more a sad reflection on you though.

[gammaguy]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/lo...s-to-chill-out

Television presenter Ali Mau wants homophobic Kiwis to wake up.

...

The Fair Go presenter came out in 2010 about her relationship with Karleen Edmonds.

Despite being forced to come out before she was ready, Mau said she was sure enough of herself to trust her feelings.

"It was a bit of a surprise, but it's not something I had a deep moral wrestle with. I just thought, 'I am really into this person.' It didn't matter what gender she was."

Riiiight.

Female sexuality is often fluid. Ms Mau was with a man before this partner and may well be with a man again for her next one. If I was a gay man I'd suspect her of taking something intrinsic to my identity, something personal and sacred, and using it as an assumed badge of coolness.

Is Ali M just stroking her ego by identifying herself with a hip social trend? Does her dilettantish dalliance with muff-diving and smug acceptance of the spotlight diminish the struggle for acceptance by genuinely homosexual people who've been persecuted by Western society for hundreds of years?

Is Alan Turing rolling in his grave?

Or is this sort of shallow behaviour by a media personality just an inevitable cost of an open and accepting society, and by far the lesser of two evils?

Should Alison just shut up and show us her tits?

Discuss.

Alan Turing does not even deserve mention in the same millennium as Ms Mau.

His contribution to society and the world in general is immeasurably superior to some female who decided she wanted to play for the same team and then make a platform about it.

Personally I could care less where she get s her sexual kicks,but could(and have)listened to Alan Turings theories and studies for hours and hours.

[madbikeboy]

That's more a sad reflection on you though.

That I can only think of Sarah Ulmer as a role model? So, hit me with a list then? It's tougher than it sounds...

[husaberg]

That I can only think of Sarah Ulmer as a role model? So, hit me with a list then? It's tougher than it sounds...

My mum and Dad and immediate family, my teachers , my coaches, My neighbour's and my friends.
Were all positive role models. Do we need any more?

Celebs and Athletes need not be role models. it is nice when they are positive ones just as educational when they are negitive ones.
but its not really their job to be role model for us, or our children is it?

[Crasherfromwayback]

That I can only think of Sarah Ulmer as a role model? So, hit me with a list then? It's tougher than it sounds...

Off the top of my head how 'bout the Ever-Swindell twins, Valerie Adamas, Irene Van Dyk and Melissa Moon to name a few.

[Tigadee]

Are celebs role models? I actually discourage my girls to look at celebs (whether in sports, fashion, media, etc), as role models or example of reality. They are as likely to disappoint as they are to encourage.

Husaberg is right, the good folk around you, the everyday hard working, common sense and loving encouragers and mentors are the genuine role models, not those who excel in sports, look good in underwear catalogs or work in the media - they're already overpaid to begin with.

[oneofsix]

Are celebs role models? I actually discourage my girls to look at celebs (whether in sports, fashion, media, etc), as role models or example of reality. They are as likely to disappoint as they are to encourage.

Husaberg is right, the good folk around you, the everyday hard working, common sense and loving encouragers and mentors are the genuine role models, not those who excel in sports, look good in underwaer catalogs or work in the media - they're already overpaid to begin with.

Q: "Are celebs role models?"
A: yes, whether you like it or not. They aren't good ones, you can even try to teach your childern they are negative ones, 'don't do this yourself'. However the media, teachers and trheir mates will refer to them and use them as role models. Because modern society see celebs as the top of the heap (dung heap) then regardless of what you try, role models they are. Also because the media love scandal, the worse they are the more they will be pushed at you.

In the end all you can do is help your children make wise choices. Keep up the good work and wish you success.

[Tigadee]

Cheers, thanks OOS...

[HenryDorsetCase]

Off the top of my head how 'bout the Ever-Swindell twins, Valerie Adamas, Irene Van Dyk and Melissa Moon to name a few.

Sarah Walker, Ali Shanks, Vanessa Quin three more (all cyclists)