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    Disciplining your children

    This article, or the contents there of, will come as no surprise to many no doubt!

    What's your thoughts on this? Some disturbing statistics here. Discuss!


    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/educ...ass-discipline
    Increasing numbers of fed-up parents want schools to get tough on discipline.

    A recent international study ranked New Zealand students among the worst-behaved in the world, and Secondary Principals' Association president Patrick Walsh said there was a sea change in how discipline was perceived in schools.

    "The public and parents are becoming less tolerant with the restorative justice approach, and want schools to get tough on serious offenders."

    While a restorative justice approach had been widely adopted, research showed children's behaviour had grown worse in the past decade, with sexual and physical assaults increasing.

    Almost three-quarters – 71 per cent – of respondents in a Sunday Star-Times reader poll, said discipline was lacking in our schools, and blamed the rise in bad behaviour on the loss of discipline at home and a lack of respect among young people.

    Walsh said many of the worst-behaved students came to school with violence or sexual deviance learned at home, and it was a difficult balancing act between rehabilitating students and ensuring the safety of others.

    Edgewater College guidance counsellor Mike Williams said he understood why parents wanted tougher punishments, but hardline approaches did not work. "If you're son or daughter is bullied, of course you're going to want the bully kicked out."

    But that only pushed the problem on to another school. "The restorative justice approach is more effective at managing conflict than a punitive one."

    A book he co-authored, Safe and Peaceful Schools: Addressing Conflict and Eliminating Violence, was published in December. It points to undercover anti-bullying teams, mediation, restorative conferencing, and anger management groups as solutions to classroom conflict.

    An OECD report, which looked at how long it took teachers to control unruly children, was published last year. It ranked New Zealand 50th out of 65 countries for disruptive pupils. Many Asian countries ranked near the top, the United States was 22nd and the United Kingdom 32nd.

    A teacher who has taught in Asia and New Zealand said there were always disruptive students, but there was a different cultural approach to education here, with teachers in Asia gaining immediate respect by virtue of their position where here they had to "prove themselves".

    The respect a teacher gained depended on a number of factors, but the fact they had to do it at all was disruptive, he said.

    Post-Primary Teachers' Association president Robin Duff said student behaviour had deteriorated over the past 30 years, but it followed the pattern of wider society.

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    The association recently issued members with an instruction to report assaults on teachers to police. Statistics NZ figures show there were 567 assaults in schools last year. The number causing injury rose from 50 to 81 between 2001 and 2011, and sexual assaults more than trebled, from 33 to 116.

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    Adequate discipline has been taken away from schools.

    Students know it and run riot.

    I am a year 13 student. I have seen the disrespect towards teachers. I have heard them sworn at and abused. I often feel my learning is hindered by those students who command a teacher's attention because of their misbehaviour.

    As teachers, you have very little at your disposal for disciplinary measures and that is reflected in reduced learning.

    Bring back corporal punishment and stop giving so much power to adolescents. Teachers are powerless because they don't have the support of parents.

    Discipline needs to be fair, not the rigid way it was in the past.

    I was a teacher, but gave up because of the ill-discipline. The lack of respect is unbelievable. We have become far too PC and as a result children lack respect for authority in general
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    Where's the option for not giving a shit as it makes no difference as to how I treat my children behind closed doors... or in public for that matter. There are already laws in place to encourage me not to beat the shit out of my kids, I see no point in changing any more laws.
    I didn't think!!! I experimented!!!

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    Pretty sure your vote falls under option #3 there Mashy
    To laugh often and much; to win the respect of intelligent people and the affection of children; to earn the appreciation of honest critics and to endure the betrayal of false friends. To appreciate beauty; to find the best in others; to leave the world a bit better whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or a redeemed social condition; to know that even one life has breathed easier because you have lived. This is to have succeeded

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boob Johnson View Post
    Pretty your vote falls under option #3 there Mashy
    ha ha ha ha haaaaaa... "Roger that. Right you are, that it should be" (although I see not point in reversing the law)
    I didn't think!!! I experimented!!!

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    Just give the teachers the right to smack the shit out of the kids ass with a length of bamboo ... AGAIN ...

    Then the parents wont have to ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by mashman View Post
    Where's the option for not giving a shit as it makes no difference as to how I treat my children behind closed doors... or in public for that matter.
    +1 to that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FJRider View Post
    Just give the teachers the right to smack the shit out of the kids ass with a length of bamboo ... AGAIN ...
    Electric dog collars on them while they are in class
    "If you can make black marks on a straight from the time you turn out of a corner until the braking point of the next turn, then you have enough power."


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    i could care less what their laws are. they're not my laws. child abuse is rife as ever in NZ.

    if the govt is not going to pay me to raise my f*cking kids, they don't get a say in it.

    i haven't had to hit either of my children since they were <3yrs old. (barring about 2 occasions) it's a teaching tool. sitting down and explaining in calm tones and positive language while wearing pastel colored shirts just doesn't f*cking cut it. sending them to their room to plot revenge isn't much better.
    a smack on the ass communicates your message quickly, clearly, leaves noone unsure about the acceptability of their behaviour, and it's over.
    child knows - do that=pain, don't do that = not pain. the logic or adult reasoning behind it can come later.

    "physical discipline" is how animals learn socially acceptable behaviours - pup nips another pup's tail, mummy dog scruffs offeding pup. lesson learned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kickaha View Post
    Electric dog collars on them while they are in class
    Might work in Home Detention too ....
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    I was regularly caned at school and I haven't bashed anyone for ages.
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    So, some parents cant cope at home so they expect teachers to sort it? With the limp and limited responses available to teachers these days that is not going to happen and is as likely as is the re introduction of the cane. To those parents without the skills-seek to educate yourselves preferably before getting pregnant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FJRider View Post
    Just give the teachers the right to smack the shit out of the kids ass with a length of bamboo ... AGAIN ...

    Then the parents wont have to ...
    I'd agree with that, as long as I'm allowed to thump the teachers whenever I get the urge.

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    Shitbag kids are created by shitbag influences, namely their parents and family.

    The smacking law has zero influence on this situation.

    I'd rather the shitbags are removed from class, If they aren't prepared to learn then no need to allow them to drag down the rest. Their parents have already fucked their chances.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Headbanger View Post
    Shitbag kids are created by shitbag influences, namely their parents and family.

    The smacking law has zero influence on this situation.

    I'd rather the shitbags are removed from class, If they aren't prepared to learn then no need to allow them to drag down the rest. Their parents have already fucked their chances.
    I'm sorry but some kids/people are just outright shitbags, raised by shitbag parents/family or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XxKiTtiExX View Post
    I'm sorry but some kids/people are just outright shitbags, raised by shitbag parents/family or not.
    In that case, Most of the time shitbag kids are produced by shitbag influences.

    And some, They are just born with the devil in them.

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