Copyright "theft" is the worst thing on the planet!

[HenryDorsetCase]

Youse guys are just weird. There. I said it.

The first four Sabbath albums all stand as originals of heavy rock. They are one of a piece - a continuum of the genre from its vibrant birth. And the 5th album, Sabbath Bloody Sabbath is a bonus almost equal to the first 4.

To be fair give Led Zeppelin a similar nod for their first 4 albums which are also of a piece.

Which raises the question - any other bands/artists produced 4 extraordinary albums in a row? Pretty rare. Bowie? Neil Young? Yes? Emerson Lake and Palmer did. Metallica? Certainly the Beatles. Youtoo??

In a non-metal context:

Drive By Truckers: Southern Rock Opera, Decoration Day, The Dirty South, A Blessing and a Curse

Gillian Welch: any four of hers.

Velvet Underground: they only had four albums and ALL of them are essential

Ramones: Ramones, Leave Home, Rocket To Russia, Road To Ruin, End of the Century

Uncle Tupelo: only four albums, all of them essential.

White Stripes: all up to Elephant

Warren Zevon did but not all at once in a run: Excitable Boy in particular

The American Recordings Johnny Cash albums (all five of them).

the first four Siouxsie and the Banshees albums (though in particular the early 80's trio that JOhn McGeoch played guitar on)

The Clash only had 3 in a row: theres a good album in Sandinista trying to get out but its a one LP record, not a triple (what the hell were they thinking? - trying to complete with Yes?)

The Stooges Fun House, Raw Power: though thats only 3 (thats the only three really)

[mashman]

No, Its definitely you.

I'm not going to pretend the current system is great though it has certainly achieved some stunning results and of course some less then stellar side effects. However I can't see that you even understand what you are against, and have never succeed in explaining what your proposed system is.

Money is just a form for representing worth, it allows work to be valued to be stored and used/traded at a later date,Banning money won't remove the need and advantages of the mechanism, It would just make life harder.

Removing money would cripple all the infrastructure that keeps people alive, They only survivors would be those that worked from sun up to sun down working a piece of dirt, that is until someone larger came along, ate their food, raped their women, bbq'd their cow and their goat, enslaved their children, and beat them to death.

The problem isn't money, The problem is greed. Every system since the dawn of time has been exploited by people for personal gain.

It moost definately is not

Stunning results? Can you name one? What I am against is people dying/suffering because they don't have enough money and not through want of trying. "My" proposed system removes money and the need for people to die/suffer because of it, without reducing current quality of life. Done.

Utter bullshit. Money is a weapon. Disagree with someone telling you how to run your country and they apply sanctions. Those sanctions attack your exports and by default the money your country uses to grow its economy. Just a form of representing worth? Oh dear, someone has been eating too many might beans

Removing money would do the exact opposite. Money didn't always exist and OMG, the human race didn't die out. The chaos you describe already exists in some financial economies today and a lack of money, or accumulating more money, is generally at the heart of it. Example: Christchurch. If there were no money or need for insurance we coulda had 18 months of rebuild by NOW. Instead people are waiting for money to appear before they get stuck in or for insurance companies to underwrite the money being borrowed to rebuild... which is bitterly disappointing given that every resource required to rebuild the city can be sourced in NZ.

take copyright theft for example: why are people protecting "their" IP? Because they're greedy? or to protect their income stream? granted you could say they were one in the same, but they're protecting their income stream which technically has nothing to do with greed, unless they are being greedy. Money money money. There are a small number of truly greedy people v a large number of people who would happily coexist. I'd like to see the 2 systems put to the vote in true democratic fashion... in other words the books of NZ opened up for due diligence and a year of solid advertising explaining "my" system. Tis a damn site easier to explain in person than it is over the internet.

[Headbanger]

Suffering was around a long time before money.

stunning results?

The modern world, the infrastructure that supports it, all our technology, our knowledge, our health care, our education. All made possible by people pooling their resources and engaging the resources of others.








You loony. I still have no idea what your proposed system is, It seems to be, Money bad, ban money, world is good.

Money is a weapon?, ffs, As I have already said, the problem is greed, and its part of the human condition. It breeds jealousy and resentment on multiple levels, Those with money and those that don't have the basic ability to provide for themselves and their families.

[mashman]

Suffering was around a long time before money.

stunning results?

The modern world, the infrastructure that supports it, all our technology, our knowledge, our health care, our education. All made possible by people pooling their resources and engaging the resources of others.

You loony. I still have no idea what your proposed system is, It seems to be, Money bad, ban money, world is good.

Money is a weapon?, ffs, As I have already said, the problem is greed, and its part of the human condition. It breeds jealousy and resentment on multiple levels, Those with money and those that don't have the basic ability to provide for themselves and their families.

True. I would have thought we have moved on since then.

Are you saying that infrastructure, technology, knowledge, healthcare, education etc... wouldn't have existed had there not been money? If so, I'm going to laugh and laugh really really hard.

Ooooooook, see the website in my sig as a start as it explains some things. You'll either grasp the concept or you won't. What could you do with a country full of free resources and free labour? praps what couldn't you do would give easier answers.

And as I already said, the minority are greedy, not the majority... and they are greedy for money. The resources they will murder for are converted into money. Money is a weapon. I'll not touch the have and have nots with a barge pole. If jealousy and resentment were really the case, then the have nots would follow the haves tactics and there would be blood in the streets... but there isn't for some reason. I guess they're just not that jealous or greedy.

[Headbanger]

Ooooooook, see the website in my sig as a start as it explains some things. You'll either grasp the concept or you won't. What could you do with a country full of free resources and free labour? praps what couldn't you do would give easier answers.

[mashman]

... I've got a bucket of sand with your name on it... or if you would prefer a tinfoil hat. Achually, you may need both

[Headbanger]

... I've got a bucket of sand with your name on it... or if you would prefer a tinfoil hat. Achually, you may need both

Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. You would have a bucket of sand with my name on it because?

Sadly the website in your sig has zero explanations on it, hence explains nothing, It almost presents something, But whatever it is trying to present is so badly formed that it achieves nothing.

All you have is a small dream,a notion, nothing of substance, and that doesn't give you a platform to mock anyone.

It just makes you look silly.

[mashman]

Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. You would have a bucket of sand with my name on it because?

Sadly the website in your sig has zero explanations on it, hence explains nothing, It almost presents something, But whatever it is trying to present is so badly formed that it achieves nothing.

All you have is a small dream,a notion, nothing of substance, and that doesn't give you a platform to mock anyone.

It just makes you look silly.

I'm like Santa... I've got a bucket of sand with everyone's name on it should they wish it.

I see it did its job... you have to fill in the explanations for yourself.

Did you feel like I was mocking you? Ohhhh I'm sorry, there there, it'll be ok, I'm sure you'll get over it.

[Headbanger]

weak.