LOL @ smoke tax increase!

[Winston001]

We all die mate. Some more gracefully than others. Heart disease and lung cancer can kill at very small cost to the taxpayer.know it all prick.

Ahh...cheerfully said by the under-50s, indeed used to blithely say that m'self.

Having now been dragged back to earth by seeing people die - distressingly slowly - I'm not so sanguine. Becoming ill, being treated, then becoming much sicker, this takes years because we are so clever with modern medicine. Still there is a lot of pain, loss of dignity, powerlessness for family...dying is not pretty or easy.

[Andy67]

Ahh...cheerfully said by the under-50s, indeed used to blithely say that m'self.

Having now been dragged back to earth by seeing people die - distressingly slowly - I'm not so sanguine. Becoming ill, being treated, then becoming much sicker, this takes years because we are so clever with modern medicine. Still there is a lot of pain, loss of dignity, powerlessness for family...dying is not pretty or easy.

Never said it was Winston and trust me I mix with all ages. Timely glib post given my brothers best mate died yesterday aged 44 of pancreatic cancer. Lucky it killed as profiled and didn't cost the tax payer fuck all.

[Akzle]

i haven't read through it all, but i will oneday.

fuck the govt. how about EVERYONE stop buying baccy. write nice sorry letters to the imperial tobacco co, explaining that the NZ govt are shit heads, and see if they wont bring more pressure to bear.

you can buy smokes in vending machines in japan for fucken 2$ pack....

i will give away tobacco seeds for free to anyone who wants em, (PM or txt) i will also be chucking handfuls of them out along roadsides and council parks as i travel.

these seeds are acclimatised to northland/auckland, but it grows like a weed anywhere. if you can keep a plant alive to seeding then you'll have em acclimatised to your district.

going to crop the fuck out of this country.

[Woodman]

Wonder how much it costs the gummint to buy ciggies for beneficiaries??

[willytheekid]

I can't wait to see you hypocrite's crying and moaning when they move from smokers, to fat people & sugar products etc...then your precious alcohol!...and then....
And if you don't think its gonna happen

Nanny says don't do that!...we know best!....heres the figures....they don't lie!....and neither do we!.....you poor poor blind fools

Its about money and control...not health!...otherwise they would do something about about our shit healthcare system and rampant alcohol abuse in NZ


"Restriction of free thought and free speech is the most dangerous of all subversions. It is the one act that could most easily defeat us.”
-William Orville Douglas

...I think I want a smoke...and Im not affraid to say so!



ps...I do agree smoking is bad for you(hence Im a light smoker!)....but then, so are motorbikes!...well...according to ACC facts n figures

[SMOKEU]

i will give away tobacco seeds for free to anyone who wants em, (PM or txt) i will also be chucking handfuls of them out along roadsides and council parks as i travel.

these seeds are acclimatised to northland/auckland, but it grows like a weed anywhere. if you can keep a plant alive to seeding then you'll have em acclimatised to your district.

Do the same for weed and poppy seeds, too.

[Clockwork]

This hoary old fallacious argument assumes that there is no cost associated with tobacco, other than what smokers spend on their habits with the proceeds of those being shared by retailers, tobacco companies and the Government.

One in five smokers will die from smoking-related causes. That would be just fine if those were clean and tidy deaths at no cost to the taxpayers who fund the medical expenses associated with what are often long and costly illnesses. Then there are the people who aren't smokers but whose health is munted by passive smoking.

Without any of these consequences, then tobacco products probably would most certainly be a cash cow for graspingly desperate politicians.

Passive smoking is nothing more than a statistical concept, a piece of PR bull invented to give non-smokers a moral platform from which to preach to smokers. (sheesh, how many millions "mainline" 20 or more smokes a day around the world without suffering the nonsense symptoms claimed by "passive smokers")

Anyhow, while those reformed smokers are living longer and paying less taxes, they will instead get other long term ailments associated with geriatric care, oh and they will need to collect super' for longer too.

[Murray]

Someone told me once 100% of people die - I thought it was just the smokers???

[oneofsix]

Someone told me once 100% of people die - I thought it was just the smokers???

Nah smoking only kills 50% of its victims.

[bluninja]

SNIP...Do I have to pay the govt every time I have a root as well?
Hope they take coins!

You already do if you buy condoms

[Fast Eddie]

We'll start growing our own pot, or at least star chipping in with mates who have the space to grow pot for us, then we'll give it away to other friends etc... they'll be retarded as usual and fail to see the revenue they could have had if they just left things alone and then they'll have to ban smoking... at which point they will spend millions on anti tobacco police force, regulations and more prison space for the crims

hmm sounds familiar lol

[mashman]

I can't wait to see you hypocrite's crying and moaning when they move from smokers, to fat people & sugar products etc...then your precious alcohol!...and then....
And if you don't think its gonna happen

Nanny says don't do that!...we know best!....heres the figures....they don't lie!....and neither do we!.....you poor poor blind fools

Its about money and control...not health!...otherwise they would do something about about our shit healthcare system and rampant alcohol abuse in NZ


"Restriction of free thought and free speech is the most dangerous of all subversions. It is the one act that could most easily defeat us.”
-William Orville Douglas

...I think I want a smoke...and Im not affraid to say so!

ps...I do agree smoking is bad for you(hence Im a light smoker!)....but then, so are motorbikes!...well...according to ACC facts n figures

I do a great line in buckets of sand... damn, nope that's not gonna help ya.
I do a great line in tinfoil hats... shit, that's won't help either.

Turns out that that was a great post... who woulda thunk it

[mashman]

hmm sounds familiar lol

fuckin mindreaders spoil everything

[bluninja]

fuckin mindreaders spoil everything

I just knew you were going to post that

[Asher]

Its about money and control...not health!...otherwise they would do something about about our shit healthcare system and rampant alcohol abuse in NZ

I totally agree with you. The gluberment is going to get our money one way or an other, just they would rather do it without there being associated costs to the health care system, thus they discourage smoking.
Increasing the smoking tax does not make the gluberment more money, it just means you have less money to spend on other thing (which are also taxed).