LOL @ smoke tax increase!

[Ocean1]

Because if I ''choose'' to stand there and piss on your feet...that should be ok..........right?

We're both old enough to have learned the most appropriate response to that particular choice.

Many, however don't distinguish who's fly is undone, they tend to blame you because someone else is pissing in their shoes.

[GrayWolf]

If tobacco was discovered today, would it be Class A?
Q:
A: Tobacco would be put through the scientific 'hoops' & would not be released to the market,but would be used for drugs & treatments against ill health.There are so so many elements to 'the evil weed',did you know that the nicotine from ONE cigarette injected intravenously would kill instantly !
http://www.themedicalquestions.com/d...iscovered.html

[carbonhed]

i don't think they banned nicotine as an insecticide as such, they may have removed it from shop shelves etc but people are still very free to make their own.
could you actually point to an article or law (statute) to back that up?

Yes.

http://ecan.govt.nz/publications/Plans/AppendixHa.pdf

Withdrawn because of the acute toxicity.

[Winston001]

If tobacco was discovered today, would it be Class A?
Q:
A: Tobacco would be put through the scientific 'hoops' & would not be released to the market,but would be used for drugs & treatments against ill health.There are so so many elements to 'the evil weed',did you know that the nicotine from ONE cigarette injected intravenously would kill instantly !
http://www.themedicalquestions.com/d...iscovered.html

Cripes youse guys are scary. No smokes here damnit so I'll have to find an Oxycontin to calm down.

[Maha]

We're both old enough to have learned the most appropriate response to that particular choice.

Many, however don't distinguish who's fly is undone, they tend to blame you because someone else is pissing in their shoes.

Agreed, but my point was, the term 'Freedom of Choice' is trotted out only when it suits.
...and cannot be applied to every situation that one makes.
Well it can if you really must, but, it is to be use sparingly.

[Akzle]

Yes.

http://ecan.govt.nz/publications/Plans/AppendixHa.pdf

Withdrawn because of the acute toxicity.

things to note: that is only WELLINGTON REIGONAL COUNCIL
and it is only NICOTINE SULFATE which is DIFFERENT from the nicotine injested through smoking.

nicotine in it's purest form is a brown sticky mess, a bit like opium, that's still not nicotine sulfate (although it's toxicity is higher than smoked) but nicotine doesn't become a lethal vapour until about 250degrees celcius... so... huh.

...even the old rothman's kingsize have less than 2milligrams of nicotine per smoke.
to boil down/extract at 30% yield (good yield by any crack dealer's standard) you're looking at melting down a whole pack to get 13 odd mg
the average lethal dose in rats is 50mg/kg -- this is comparable to humans as they metabolise the chemical the same way. so for me, at 86kg, i would need to boil down 7 packs of ciggies and drink the result in one go to even think about it killing me. given that i'm in good health and have a developed resistance to it, it's likely twice that or more. but again, this is nicotine pure, not nicotine sulfate.


aaaaand to convert the resultant alkaloid liquid into a sulfate (salt) (the kind that WRC banned) i would need to do an acid extraction... maybe run it through a biodiesel wash...


now. any other BS you want debunked?

[imdying]

did you know that the nicotine from ONE cigarette injected intravenously would kill instantly !

Go inject some air into your veins and tell us how that went...

[Berries]

now. any other BS you want debunked?

Is it true that smoking is good for you?

[Akzle]

duplication. f*@k

[Akzle]

according to recent surveys, air is good.
- Family Guy Ep. Mr Griffin Goes to Washington

Is it true that smoking is good for you?

what? who ever said that?

i'll happily sit on the stance that it is not bad for you, and certainly there are other far more dangerous things for your health that people willingly subject themselves to daily,


...like flouride in the water and sulfites in food, and sitting on their ass in an office 40 hours a week, driving their car for the 10 minutes-1.5hours (the average commute in NZ is now 1.5hours >< who the fuck wastes 3 hrs a day they don't get paid for in a car?!?!) home and sucking down all that lovely free CO, or getting the freon going with the A/C or climate control. mmmm. nummy nummy freon, and drinking crap beer and whining about smoking -- all of these things are a nett loss to the planet.

chosing to burn a bit of leaf?, please. don't you have anything more important to whinge about? and what gave you the impression it was for you to decide anyway?

[carbonhed]

things to note: that is only WELLINGTON REIGONAL COUNCIL
and it is only NICOTINE SULFATE which is DIFFERENT from the nicotine injested through smoking.

nicotine in it's purest form is a brown sticky mess, a bit like opium, that's still not nicotine sulfate (although it's toxicity is higher than smoked) but nicotine doesn't become a lethal vapour until about 250degrees celcius... so... huh.

...even the old rothman's kingsize have less than 2milligrams of nicotine per smoke.
to boil down/extract at 30% yield (good yield by any crack dealer's standard) you're looking at melting down a whole pack to get 13 odd mg
the average lethal dose in rats is 50mg/kg -- this is comparable to humans as they metabolise the chemical the same way. so for me, at 86kg, i would need to boil down 7 packs of ciggies and drink the result in one go to even think about it killing me. given that i'm in good health and have a developed resistance to it, it's likely twice that or more. but again, this is nicotine pure, not nicotine sulfate.


aaaaand to convert the resultant alkaloid liquid into a sulfate (salt) (the kind that WRC banned) i would need to do an acid extraction... maybe run it through a biodiesel wash...


now. any other BS you want debunked?

The WRC doesn't ban chemicals you fucking muppet the Govt bans chemicals. The Ministry of Ag and Fish, as it was, banned Nicotine Sulphate in 1975 because nicotine (the active ingredient) is really poisonous and readily absorbed through the skin. It's highly dangerous to the applicator and any wildlife around at the time. It's banned in NZ, goneburger, deleted, no longer available, finito...

You said tobacco had exactly fuckall bad things in it for you and you were talking shit and you were wrong about the insecticide Nicotine being banned over here. Now where's the ignore button.

[Akzle]

The WRC doesn't ban chemicals you fucking muppet the Govt bans chemicals. The Ministry of Ag and Fish, as it was, banned Nicotine Sulphate in 1975 because nicotine (the active ingredient) is really poisonous and readily absorbed through the skin. It's highly dangerous to the applicator and any wildlife around at the time. It's banned in NZ, goneburger, deleted, no longer available, finito...

You said tobacco had exactly fuckall bad things in it for you and you were talking shit and you were wrong about the insecticide Nicotine being banned over here. Now where's the ignore button.

yet... you can't point to the legislation (that's the stuff the govt cranks out) that says so? only a schedule on what looks like a memorandum from WDC.... huh.

nicotine as an alkaloid liquid is not as readily absorbed through the skin. the sulfate is.
again, as far as i'm aware people are still free to make and use nicotine sulfate as an insecticide...

did i ever say it wasn't banned? if i remember right, i just asked for proof, you have yet to provide

but please, in all your wisdom, enlighten us all as to what in tobacco is bad for you (and why), when smoked...

[Berries]

chosing to burn a bit of leaf?, please. don't you have anything more important to whinge about? and what gave you the impression it was for you to decide anyway?

I was actually on your side until you went menstrual.

[scumdog]

I was actually on your side until you went menstrual.

The nicotine musta got to him...

[Andy67]

To the person who blinged me for the post about my brothers friend, I can't yet see who you are, but yes you are right and you obviously knew him. My condoleneces, H is taking it pretty hard too. M was a good man.

Andy