Helen in high speed road race! Innocent lives in danger

**unhingedlizard** · 1st August 2005, 15:39

not for or against any argument here, but bare in mind thaty the driver of the car was probably trained to drive these vechicles at high speeds, the vehicles themselves are clearly capable of it (had my ute at 160 once overtaking without realising it, on a sealed test track of course) and the speed limits on our roads were not put thier for me in a falcon ute, or you on a Gixxer 1000k5 but for bad/inexperienced/stupid people so that when the inevatable crashes happen, they wont be so sever.
The biggest problem i think people have over this issue is the attitude "well i got a ticket for doing 150 so that means so should they".

**Lou Girardin** · 1st August 2005, 15:59

Originally Posted by crashe

ok try this out for a scenerio.(sp)

If you were sitting in the back seat of a car and someone else was driving it.
Would you be looking at the speed or even taking note of the speed, if say you were looking at/reading a book/paperwork.
Sure you may look up occassionally... but would you really take it in, if you were concentrating on the paperwork or speech at hand.

Would you as the passenger expect to get a ticket.
NO.
The ticket goes to the driver of the car.

So why should Helen be charged. She was a passenger.

It was up to the driver to drive at a safe speed.

Yep she had to catch a plane... but thats another story.

Its about the speed of the vehicle.

I know that Helen write's her speeches on the run on most occassions....
and reads heaps as soon as she is in a vehicle... thats part of her job.

Her "urgent" business was the reason they were speeding. At the least she should have been done for aiding and abetting.

BTW. Unless things have changed, public service drivers never had high speed driver training. Or do cops drive the limo's now?

**MikeL** · 1st August 2005, 16:53

Originally Posted by Lou Girardin

At the least she should have been done for aiding and abetting.

Have you ever known of a passenger being charged with "aiding and abetting" in a speeding case?

And have you ever known of a speeding driver successfully shifting the responsibility onto a passenger?

**Lou Girardin** · 1st August 2005, 17:19

Originally Posted by MikeL

Have you ever known of a passenger being charged with "aiding and abetting" in a speeding case?

And have you ever known of a speeding driver successfully shifting the responsibility onto a passenger?

I've heard of aiding and abetting charges for dangerous. I believe that's what these guys are facing. In fact there's one before the courts in West Auckland now. The aider and abettor was even in a different vehicle.

**spudchucka** · 1st August 2005, 17:25

Originally Posted by MikeL

And have you ever known of a speeding driver successfully shifting the responsibility onto a passenger?

Kidnapping.

**madboy** · 1st August 2005, 17:32

Originally Posted by Lou Girardin

I've heard of aiding and abetting charges for dangerous. I believe that's what these guys are facing. In fact there's one before the courts in West Auckland now. The aider and abettor was even in a different vehicle.

What you're forgetting is that Helen wasn't in a sacked out Jappa rocket with chromies... rules are different for middle aged drivers of Falcons and Commodores.

**idb** · 1st August 2005, 18:39

Originally Posted by mikey

why deosnt don brash pick this up an put it on one of his bill boards. make it a personal war as well as the ficitcious policies that just arent happening war.

maybe helen will pull somethign out of brashs past. would be good to see them go at it.

If I remember correctly, The Don was on his own high speed journey through the streets of Wellington on the same mission.
Or that's what it said in the paper....so it must be true....

**SPman** · 1st August 2005, 19:00

Other than those who subscribe to the "politics of envy" scenario, does anyone really give a toss?

I don't!

**Pixie** · 2nd August 2005, 00:41

Originally Posted by Motu

I don't see what all the fuss is about,apart from media hype.I think a Police or armed forces escort for our head of state should be free to speed if necessary,this could be a situation of national (or Labour?) importance - called it a training exercise and close the lid.

Because they keep telling us you die if you exceed 100kph

As for that tart,she says she wasn't aware the car she was in was doing 180kph? What is she? Blonde?

**Pixie** · 2nd August 2005, 00:45

Originally Posted by Jim2

No they're not. Thanks to a deaf, blind old biddy on pedestrian crossing. Ambos in particualr seem to have had a kicking in the last couple of years and their discretion to use a little more speed has been put in question.

I do agree with the point. We aren't privvy to everything that the PM is, and there may well be a very good reason for the extra burst of speed.

A football game,apparently

**Pixie** · 2nd August 2005, 00:47

Originally Posted by madboy

Okay, so let me try and get this straight... it's okay to exceed the speed limit if you're on urgent business? But doesn't the LTNZ say speeders are killing us?

So is there a link between exceeding the speed limit and dangerous driving? Putting aside Helen's efforts for a minute, can someone with a better understanding of physics than I explain how having flashing lights and sirens contribute to a vehicles mechanical grip on the road?

Perhaps someone should tell the Formula 1 boys - if they stuck lights and sirens on Schumacher's car, he'd be able to corner at higher speeds without falling off the road, and he'd be able to brake short of every deaf mute old lady who walks out in front of him.

Maybe they need a hag in the back too

**James Deuce** · 2nd August 2005, 05:29

Originally Posted by Pixie

A football game,apparently

Remember the apparently bit. Politicians, Diplomats, and Heads of State don't do just one job at a given time. Bit like CEOs. I'm not saying they're better people, just a shitload busier than you could conceive of. Clinton, for all his apparent randiness, averaged 4 hours sleep per night for 8 years. 3 when he had an intern in.

Bush gets ridiculed for his afternoon nap. I'd probably fall asleep spontaneously if I'd been living like that too.

**Dafe** · 2nd August 2005, 07:15

I heard a news article very recently about Police Vehicles being used on the road without Warrants. Now thats Bullshit!!! and it's quite a common practice apparantly....

Mr Orifice

**Lou Girardin** · 2nd August 2005, 08:17

It appears that the prosecution is calling 31 witnesses! the trial is expected to take 2 weeks. All this for a dangerous charge?
The police bosses are really out to hang these guys aren't they?
Meanwhile Clark and her trough feeders think of some more ways to control our lives. And leave these guys, who were acting on her instructions, out to dry.
I really hope her Govt is demolished in September, I'm starting to loathe her as much as I did Shipley and that's saying something.

**James Deuce** · 2nd August 2005, 08:18

Originally Posted by Lou Girardin

It appears that the prosecution is calling 31 witnesses! the trial is expected to take 2 weeks. All this for a dangerous charge?
The police bosses are really out to hang these guys aren't they?
Meanwhile Clark and her trough feeders think of some more ways to control our lives. And leave these guys, who were acting on her instructions, out to dry.
I really hope her Govt is demolished in September, I'm starting to loathe her as much as I did Shipley and that's saying something.

I'm getting the same feeling.