Roundabout accident

[rustic101]

This ought to be good

[XxKiTtiExX]

My senses tell me there is something wrong here...........

[Kornholio]

Sorry, but I am still pissing myself about this bit...

Brakes on, as this happened I slipped off my Vespa, and causing damage to my bike as well as my phone in my pocket.

[nadroj]

Are you saying if you had been txting your phone would not have been damaged?

[iYRe]

actually, if you can prove you were already IN the roundabout before the car on the right entered, they are in the wrong. Its illegal to enter an intersection occupied by another vehicle.

Note I said _PROVE_.

[nosebleed]

actually, if you can prove you were already IN the roundabout before the car on the right entered, they are in the wrong. Its illegal to enter an intersection occupied by another vehicle.

Note I said _PROVE_.

Really?
Try this theory tomorrow morning at the Greenlane and Ellerslie/Penrose roundabouts and see how you get on.
You'll need video evidence for the "dodgy driver" thread.

[iYRe]

I did say "prove" and in some cases, you can not. Same with the Rosscommon Road roundabout. It is the law though. If you are already in an intersection, the person coming from the right has to give way.
The best evidence apart from video, is being hit in the rear right quarter.

[nosebleed]

I did say "prove" and in some cases, you can not. Same with the Rosscommon Road roundabout. It is the law though. If you are already in an intersection, the person coming from the right has to give way.
The best evidence apart from video, is being hit in the rear right quarter.

Your point was that vehicles cannot ENTER an intersection (although we've got a discussion on a roundabout) if it is already occupied by a vehicle.
In the real world this doesn't work as with the two example I gave they are occupied by vehicles yet other vehicles continue to ENTER.
No-one is disputing the give way rule, but thats not the example you presented.

Give way, and Enter are two separate issues.

[iYRe]

No, the rule applies to every intersection, roundabout or not, its just whether you can prove that you were rightfully in the intersection before the other vehicle.

Its the law.. proving it is a whole different story though (i know, someone once hit me in a roundabout and this what they were prosecuted on)

[nosebleed]

So let me get this straight, Tomorrow morning when I (legally) enter Greenlane roundabout no-one else can cross the give way lines at their entrance to the roundabout until I exit.
The whole roundabout is "mine" because no-one else can (legally) enter.

Awesome!

[rickstv]

The fact you slipped off your Vespa would indicate that your emergency braking technique needs looking at too.
Rick.

[iYRe]

So let me get this straight, Tomorrow morning when I (legally) enter Greenlane roundabout no-one else can cross the give way lines at their entrance to the roundabout until I exit.
The whole roundabout is "mine" because no-one else can (legally) enter.

Awesome!

No.. that is not what I said.

Dont be daft.

They are not allowed to enter the piece of road you have legally occupied, regardless of whether they are on the right or not. The _intersection_ on a large roundabout like that, would technically be the piece of road (roundabout) and the giveway intersection. The WHOLE roundabout isnt necessarily an intersection, there can be quite large stretches of "un-intersected" bits of road. Comprendes?

[steve_t]

No.. that is not what I said.

Dont be daft.

They are not allowed to enter the piece of road you have legally occupied, regardless of whether they are on the right or not. The _intersection_ on a large roundabout like that, would technically be the piece of road (roundabout) and the giveway intersection. The WHOLE roundabout isnt necessarily an intersection, there can be quite large stretches of "un-intersected" bits of road. Comprendes?

I understand what you're saying but why belabour a point which is a completely different scenario to the OP's? Obvious if you're already going around the roundabout and the person behind you hits you, they're at fault. The OP failed to give way - he's at fault, end of story.

[iYRe]

I understand what you're saying but why belabour a point which is a completely different scenario to the OP's? Obvious if you're already going around the roundabout and the person behind you hits you, they're at fault. The OP failed to give way - he's at fault, end of story.

yep, I know.. but just saying.. its not always the case..

[FJRider]

actually, if you can prove you were already IN the roundabout before the car on the right entered, they are in the wrong. Its illegal to enter an intersection occupied by another vehicle.

Note I said _PROVE_.

Just as I get to the roundabout car pulls out very fast from my right (so I'm supposed to give way)
I'm not too sure whether she saw me coming because she slowed right down as we nearly hit each other.
SO I as soon as I saw her pull out to the roundabout I slowed down - Brakes on, as this happened I slipped off my Vespa, and causing damage to my bike as well as my phone in my pocket.

By his own admission in the very frst post of the thread ...