Team GPR

[Yow Ling]

Wow! Really!

Progress is progress man. If you don't evolve you die. If all the cry babies took there own personal agenda out of the equation and just looked at what would be good for the sport, we would be much better off. I see buckets as a great class for young kids to learn some proper track riding skills and race craft. As far as the old man cry babies with chip's on there shoulders, well I don't really give a fuck. I have always been a fan of changing the rules to make it a capacity limited open class. Everything open except the engine capacity for each engine type. Try tell me that would limite dev. Fuck no! Look at freetech 50cc racing. But I am sure people would still find a way to cry about it.

Don't knock Nat or belittle his results. If he was riding with a 24hp FXR engine in that frame he would still smoke everyone.

Ah thats better. Love a good rant.

Yup , I not going to argue with that

[richban]

I am quite keen on starting a Freetech 50 moment. I know one guy in AK that might be keen. So thats 2. You boys want to play? No more than 50cc no more than 6 gears.

[Grumph]

The way I see it, that one bike is only 100 HP there is a much higher potential untapped in another legal 2T powerplant. A powerplant that everyone seems to ignore.
Attachment 319179likely because of how much money it would cost to do it.
The Popularity of F3, was always I feel based on its diversity and the number of options and the free nature of the rules.
With regards to the Sv650's a lot of people felt the same way about FXR's but they turned into a boon for the class as it essentially lifted the bar as well as giving non tuners a potentially competitive mount.

That motor is not used for F3 Husa as it's a small 500 so heavy and bulky. No aftermarket modern barrels available either - and the OE ain't that flash. Sell you two barrels if you want...
Yes, F3 was all about diversity - helped by open fuel which made some weird shit competitive.
To keep buckets that diverse should be the aim. trouble is you've got two schools of bucket racing developing, north and south. Which seems to divide naturally into 2T and 4T...
If anyone is stirring about capacities etc it's not me. i reckon the existing setup works. If it ain't broke don't fix it. Lets see the winning 2t's from the short tracks make the transition to bigger ones before changing anything.

[seymour14]

Ha ha well I was just writing my rule change submission. All fancy air-cooled 2 strokes that make good power should be dragged through the street naked behind a tracker, covered in pit tar and set alight. I don't have anything to gain by that I promise. Unless of course I can please have a ride one day.

All good, Regan's good like that, he will probably lend it out after the GP (not so sure about before!).

[husaberg]

That motor is not used for F3 Husa as it's a small 500 so heavy and bulky. No aftermarket modern barrels available either - and the OE ain't that flash. Sell you two barrels if you want...
Yes, F3 was all about diversity - helped by open fuel which made some weird shit competitive.
To keep buckets that diverse should be the aim. trouble is you've got two schools of bucket racing developing, north and south. Which seems to divide naturally into 2T and 4T...
If anyone is stirring about capacities etc it's not me. i reckon the existing setup works. If it ain't broke don't fix it. Lets see the winning 2t's from the short tracks make the transition to bigger ones before changing anything.

Neil was making up some modern RG cylinders from memory, 500 ones though
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/at...3&d=1413097367
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/at...4&d=1413097367
but not an issue although pistons are ,the engine is sub 40KG, so much less heavy and bulky some some others.
the fact it was designed as a 500 I see as a bonus as it has more room for modern transfers and as a square stroke as a 400.
What a NC30 engine weigh? They are lumpy buggars.
I feel the same re the rest.

[TALLIS]

No more than 50cc no more than 6 gears.

Why with all the rules?

[TALLIS]

trouble is you've got two schools of bucket racing developing, north and south. Which seems to divide naturally into 2T and 4T...
If anyone is stirring about capacities etc it's not me. i reckon the existing setup works. If it ain't broke don't fix it. Lets see the winning 2t's from the short tracks make the transition to bigger ones before changing anything.

The rules are currently the same, why would they change if a N.I. bike headed south and win or vice versa? Basically, to be at the pointy end of racing your not going to be able to turn up on a stock fxr and win. Why change the rules to dumb it down? There is nothing stopping anyone building a bike witch is competitive, or to copy what someone else has built. And if you think it all should cost a couple of hundred dollars......

[richban]

Why with all the rules?

I know I know. Hard to really nut out. What I would suggest is everyone that is unclear on the rules put, lets say a grand into my bank account and I will come explain it. With further seminars, at additional cost I must add and one on one tuition. I think we could make it work.

[F5 Dave]

Sorry Husa, I was referring to Nathaniel's bike in buckets. Not F3, forgot to put the relevant connection!

Not knocking the money side, but it stifles innovation when something can be bought off the shelf that does the business easily. And the commuter part of the scenario has been stretched way out of context, maybe a percentage quota is needed.

ie... You can have race wheels, or race forks, or race frame, or the derbi race engine that is almost identical to its commuter counterpart. But you just can't have it all or its not based remotely on a commuter bike.

Food for thought. TZ's idea of another thread would allow us all to put in different viewpoints, even if what we are doing with our engines is now over the top! Hence the idea of a proportion of the bike being commuter and a proportion being racey parts. Does give people the chance to pick their train of thought and attack strategy differently from others.

Cmon Kerry don't be a whiny bitch, you're smarter than that. Natanial beat us all on his 21 HP bike first year. he actually preferred that to his dads 24 HP bike as it had a much better power spread. Something a 156 will always have.

And NF4 against GPR? Well I've ridden Brents when it was TZR. Shit I knew I was in trouble. It turned so much better it wasn't funny.

But I couldn't afford to buy one. My NF4 cost $500 once Bits sold off.

Natainial is at a disadvantage with an NF4. Get used to it.

[mr bucketracer]

Wow! Really!

Progress is progress man. If you don't evolve you die. If all the cry babies took there own personal agenda out of the equation and just looked at what would be good for the sport, we would be much better off. I see buckets as a great class for young kids to learn some proper track riding skills and race craft. As far as the old man cry babies with chip's on there shoulders, well I don't really give a fuck. I have always been a fan of changing the rules to make it a capacity limited open class. Everything open except the engine capacity for each engine type. Try tell me that would limite dev. Fuck no! Look at freetech 50cc racing. But I am sure people would still find a way to cry about it.

Don't knock Nat or belittle his results. If he was riding with a 24hp FXR engine in that frame he would still smoke everyone.Ah thats better. Love a good rant.

so if you had 3 nsr 300s and the rules changed to 600 now alowed that class and made your bike worth nothing ( you would be happy ? ) fuck of you would be , and as for evolve ! it was the biggist fucken class out there

[mr bucketracer]

Cmon Kerry don't be a whiny bitch, you're smarter than that. Natanial beat us all on his 21 HP bike first year. he actually preferred that to his dads 24 HP bike as it had a much better power spread. Something a 156 will always have.

And NF4 against GPR? Well I've ridden Brents when it was TZR. Shit I knew I was in trouble. It turned so much better it wasn't funny.

But I couldn't afford to buy one. My NF4 cost $500 once Bits sold off.

Natainial is at a disadvantage with an NF4. Get used to it.

brent bike only has 18 hp and that worryed you lol

[seymour14]

Cmon Kerry don't be a whiny bitch, you're smarter than that. Natanial beat us all on his 21 HP bike first year. he actually preferred that to his dads 24 HP bike as it had a much better power spread. Something a 156 will always have.

And NF4 against GPR? Well I've ridden Brents when it was TZR. Shit I knew I was in trouble. It turned so much better it wasn't funny.

But I couldn't afford to buy one. My NF4 cost $500 once Bits sold off.

Natainial is at a disadvantage with an NF4. Get used to it.

Not sure what was whiny about it. Made an observation and gave some solutions. Buckets isn't a stagnant form of racing, and I don't see why some discussion can't be had to make it more even. And this is coming from someone who has helped build a 31hp two stroke. I don't like seeing this form of racing become a benefit concert for some, would rather see it still possible for people of limited means to also figure at the top end.

It is what Buckets came from.

[mr bucketracer]

Not sure what was whiny about it. Made an observation and gave some solutions. Buckets isn't a stagnant form of racing, and I don't see why some discussion can't be had to make it more even. And this is coming from someone who has helped build a 31hp two stroke. I don't like seeing this form of racing become a benefit concert for some, would rather see it still possible for people of limited means to also figure at the top end.

It is what Buckets came from.

it will blow up , its a 2 stroke (-: lol who knows but fun or was fun

[seymour14]

it will blow up , its a 2 stroke (-: lol who knows but fun or was fun

At least I will be able to toast marsh mallows over the smouldering embers.

Two stroke fuel smells nice too...

[F5 Dave]

brent bike only has 18 hp and that worryed you lol

It just handled so much better than mine, and the suspension was in another league. Fix the crazy footpeg position and clean up the jetting and I could have won on that bike. Put someone talented on it, say Sketchy in his prime, or Hamish, and I'd say they could beat Nathaniel. 18hp and all.