Pure whinging or do they have a point?
I'm a student, Chemical and Material Engineering.
PS, I didn't hold you up on Symonds street, I walked by and laughed at the arts students.
told ya so
Pure whinging or do they have a point?
I'm a student, Chemical and Material Engineering.
PS, I didn't hold you up on Symonds street, I walked by and laughed at the arts students.
we may just go where no ones been
Royal Enfield user
Reach into your pocket and stump up 35k then tell yourself that the job you will get you could pay it back.
and if you believe that all will be well
Stephen
"Look, Madame, where we live, look how we live ... look at the life we have...The Republic has forgotten us."
Forum whore
Bill english virtually told then to do it!
Just faidin away!
In a confused way they have a point and I have some sympathy for their view of their apparent predicament!Originally Posted by noobi
They (the students) have been used and exploited by unscrupulous politicians with no other interest except their own political survival.
I don't blame them for falling for that shit but that's as far as my sympathies go!
The only thing you get for nothing in this world ... is nothing!
Anything you get for free means someone else is going to have to pay for it!
Interest free loans for education means taxpayers are supporting/subsidising these loans and IMHO they should have a time limit on them.
Unfortunately unrealistic expectations have been built in for short term returns like buying the student vote and the student is the victim!
Now as the political and "orthodox" financial noose tightens the politicians cant sustain the bribe, they call the debt in and the result is chaos!
The politicians benefit from the chaos by blaming the "greedy" students because this draws the attention away from themselves the creators of the problem!
The media will act in accordance and allow the students to be exposed as greedy on TV and in the papers just as is happening right now!
The electorate will become polarised by this, "A" and "B" will be at war for the benefit of "C" where "C" is the collective "parliament" of the day!
It's the oldest political ploy in the book, they are all part of it and they and the banks are the only ones that will ultimately benefit from it!
The students are simply pawns in the game but right or wrong "they" and the "taxpayers" will carry the scars of this folly forever!
It doesn't have to be like this but it will stay this way until the "electorate as a whole" wakes up and changes the financial system from "social debt" to "Social Credit".
Education (among other essential public services) will then be free and affordable again based upon gross national product. (GNP)
I.E. production of goods and services the real wealth of the nation, rather than borrowing intrest bearing fiat money based on nothing from private banks! (social debt)
It is the man made and controlled "Social Debt" system that is currently fucking the world and only man can change that by changing it to "Social Credit" system to reverse the mounting debt cycle.
Change the question from "are the students just winging"? to ... "why are the students winging"? and ask "who benefits from it"?
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Now I may be wrong... but this change only affects Post Grad? Study is optional its their choice. Get a part time job, do an apprenticeship, bugger off to Aussie etc.
Once they graduate they will earn 30% more than a direct entry into a given job market?
Their study is already subsidised (don't know by what %) by the Govt. That is over and above what the Uni get from the Govt for operating costs i.e building maintenance and services etc.
When they become dentists, lawyers, architects, engineers and start charging the consumer like a raped bull will they not make their money back? Sure a % goes to their firm, practice etc but hang on a minute they are still well paid in comparison.
They only way I would give them a free Uni education was if they signed and were bonded to the Crown until their debt was paid off. I.E work in a hospital, dental practice,social work, law firm (for a wage) but the user got free treatment etc
If I run out of money I can't rock down to WINZ and get a food grant.
Every body is doing it tough and times are tight. So what are we the rest of NZ suppose to give up so a couple of hippies can reap the rewards later in life while living up Parakai drive in their 40's.
Hardcore Biker
Fuck the spoon fed cunts.
Hardcore Biker
I can see their point. The govt would have done better to have phased the changes in so that those who had already started / nearly finished their degree did so under the old scheme but that any new students came under the new one. Basically like any contract you stick to it. And while I'm here can someone please explain how the new student loan changes to pay back at 12% instead of 10% fixes the problem of loans not being paid back. All it does is penalise the ones who were already paying, really strange when all the govt pr was about getting tough on the non payers. I'm going off this govt in a big way.
If it rains on your parade, use the umbrella of eternal optimism
troglodytam extraordinaire
Fuck that, when I went uni I had to pay for it, all up front and only $40 week for student allowance. I had 2 jobs to pay for it all.
These lazy fuckers have it handed to them on a plate and cry when asked to pay it back and don't have to pass an exam to get the next years loan.
Fuck them and the horse they rode in on.
But I do agree with Rustic 101 if we have to pay then pay for jobs that will work in society then put them to work for ten years and that wipes the dept.
If they want to leave they have to pay it all back with interest in one go.
And if they fail to preform and just slack off then the same applies.
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Problem is NZ doesn't have the jobs a lot of students get qualifications for, or if the job is there, the pay isn't as good as overseas. Training em up, and shipping them off, then requires the 'stick' to get the money back. Start from the top and ensure there are jobs for them, then regardless of whether they pay it back fast or, with interest, they are already assets to society. Hell, if society can make enough use out of graduates, make their education free to begin with! But that'll never happen our, governments are more interested in appeasing the beneficiaries than creating specialized industry
"A shark on whiskey is mighty risky, but a shark on beer is a beer engineer" - Tad Ghostal
troglodytam extraordinaire
Yep, don't disagree, but it is because they get it paid for is the problem and the fact that most courses don't mean shit in the real world. If they had to pay for their courses like we did half wouldn't even be there.Problem is NZ doesn't have the jobs a lot of students get qualifications for, or if the job is there, the pay isn't as good as overseas. Training em up, and shipping them off, then requires the 'stick' to get the money back. Start from the top and ensure there are jobs for them, then regardless of whether they pay it back fast or, with interest, they are already assets to society. Hell, if society can make enough use out of graduates, make their education free to begin with! But that'll never happen our, governments are more interested in appeasing the beneficiaries than creating specialized industry
Why should the government make jobs? they just make the foundations on which jobs can be formed.
Successive governments (nats and labour) have pandaed to the greedy for so long everyone now has their hand out wanting their piece of the pie.
The problem is there is no pie left but everyone still has their hand out.
Hardcore Biker
Yes Boris when you did uni it was different, what I'm trying to say is if the govt is going to change the rules they should be phased in so that what you signed on for is what you get.
If it rains on your parade, use the umbrella of eternal optimism
troglodytam extraordinaire
Gee you mean like the real world, no can't be having that now can we.
The government needs to makes some hard decision that some are not going to like, take the teachers for example, but the changes need to be made.
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You may be right that half wouldn't be there, and that would be a shame, as many in that group would get their degrees and be worth more to society in the long run.
Well they need to sort out the foundations then...
I wouldn't consider students part of that greedy group, how much does a full time student get compared to somebody on the benefit? No bloody wonder they have their hands out!
"A shark on whiskey is mighty risky, but a shark on beer is a beer engineer" - Tad Ghostal
troglodytam extraordinaire
yes i would much prefer to pay for students than doley's.
Could you imagine the uproar if they stop benefit payments?
I think it has to come down to what course you are wanting to do as to whether or not you can get funded for it so we don't end up paying for things like that sunday golf degree that cam up a few years back.
Also make sure it is performance based so if the student is just thick and can't pass, then the funds aren't there.
I have no problem paying for training or loaning out the money to do so but it has to be reasonable and at the moment it isn't.
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