Asset sales

**flyingcrocodile46** · 9th June 2012, 09:32

Originally Posted by mashman

Why? We've cut funding to all sorts of things like it's going out of fashion and yet we've given tax breaks? Can you tell me where the logic is in giving people tax breaks in a recession and then borrowing money to cover the shortfall (yes not all of the borrowing is to cover the shortfall, before you bunch yer undies)? I see no logic, none, zero, fuck all in such a strategy... and I'm the retarded one? Maybe Ed has a point

Jesus. The tax break at an inopportune time was all about honouring an election promise. Seriously did you forget already. How much would people like you have moaned if they hadn't?

Ever heard of Christchurch? How many times did labour have to dip in to the coffers to cover destroyed cities between 93 and 2008?...

You know, when times are good we are supposed to set money aside for bad times. Labour governed during the good years and what did they do with the surpluses? Did they build us a nice little rainy day fund so we wouldn't suffer when the worlds economy turned to crap? Don't be so fucking stupid I hear you say, they fucking pissed it away by massively increasing expenditure on unsustainable PC shit and giving bigger handouts to their voter base. Which is a very large part of the problem we are now facing and why National are trying desperately to manage the books and are having to claw back expenditure where ever they can. Now that is retarded.

**mashman** · 9th June 2012, 10:06

Originally Posted by flyingcrocodile46

Jesus. The tax break at an inopportune time was all about honouring an election promise. Seriously did you forget already. How much would people like you have moaned if they hadn't?

Ever heard of Christchurch? How many times did labour have to dip in to the coffers to cover destroyed cities between 93 and 2008?...

You know, when times are good we are supposed to set money aside for bad times. Labour governed during the good years and what did they do with the surpluses? Did they build us a nice little rainy day fund so we wouldn't suffer when the worlds economy turned to crap? Don't be so fucking stupid I hear you say, they fucking pissed it away by massively increasing expenditure on unsustainable PC shit and giving bigger handouts to their voter base. Which is a very large part of the problem we are now facing and why National are trying desperately to manage the books and are having to claw back expenditure where ever they can. Now that is retarded.

bwaaaa ha ha ha haaa... yeah, saving face over helping the country really makes sense. I thought the nats were old hands at breaking election promises? Oddly enough there were a few of us saying that we'd happily go back to the original taxation model around about election time as we'd rather see the country access the steady revenue source that is income tax instead of borrowing. I'd think more of my politicians if they backed out of a crazy promise instead of putting us in a position where we need to sell assets. So no, I wouldn't have moaned at all, I would have applauded, tis only the smaller picture thinkers such as yourself that would cry foul about broken election promises.

Waaaa, waaaaa, waaaaa. Don't forget the crown guarantees too. I wonder how the Japanese accomplished so much with so little?

NO government in recent history saves for a rainy day, that's one of the reasons that ALL of them are in the shit. MEH! waffle bullshit bah bah black sheep hook line and sinker and a bene bashing just for good measure. You do realise that some people HAVE to be unemployed don't you? I mean you're obviously in to defending idiocy by using the reality of the situation as an excuse, how do you defend your own?

**flyingcrocodile46** · 9th June 2012, 10:36

Originally Posted by mashman

bwaaaa ha ha ha haaa... yeah, saving face over helping the country really makes sense. I thought the nats were old hands at breaking election promises? Oddly enough there were a few of us saying that we'd happily go back to the original taxation model around about election time as we'd rather see the country access the steady revenue source that is income tax instead of borrowing. I'd think more of my politicians if they backed out of a crazy promise instead of putting us in a position where we need to sell assets. So no, I wouldn't have moaned at all, I would have applauded, tis only the smaller picture thinkers such as yourself that would cry foul about broken election promises.

Waaaa, waaaaa, waaaaa. Don't forget the crown guarantees too. I wonder how the Japanese accomplished so much with so little?

NO government in recent history saves for a rainy day, that's one of the reasons that ALL of them are in the shit. MEH! waffle bullshit bah bah black sheep hook line and sinker and a bene bashing just for good measure. You do realise that some people HAVE to be unemployed don't you? I mean you're obviously in to defending idiocy by using the reality of the situation as an excuse, how do you defend your own?

I imagine that you know fuck all about the Japanese economy as you sure as shit don't have a clue about ours.

For the record I don't think the tax saving amounted to fuck all in my case. It didn't even register, so No, I neither needed nor wanted the 10 cents an hour or whatever the fuck it was. It was a total waste of time and money imo.

BTW Interesting to see that you don't have a problem with the concept of dishonoring promises. Say's a lot about your character .

I can't be arsed debating with left wing soft cock bleeding heart fuckwits that refuse to acknowledge simple facts and who would rather attempt to deflect from them by piling more shit on the cart (I guess that'll happen when it's all you have to offer though eh)

**Akzle** · 9th June 2012, 11:01

Originally Posted by 98tls

Wouldnt know fella i only watch motor racing and some rugby.What i do know is there would be a lot more money if there wasnt so many ~~handouts.~~

* politicians, personal taxes, debt, etc.

Originally Posted by flyingcrocodile46

...I can't be arsed debating with left wing soft cock bleeding heart fuckwits that refuse to acknowledge simple facts and who would rather attempt to deflect from them by piling more shit on the cart

wow. with good people like you, how ever did the country come to the point it is now?

**Headbanger** · 9th June 2012, 11:15

Originally Posted by mashman

bwaaaa ha ha ha haaa...

Just to clarify,

it seems you are stating

a) Governments should not honour promises?
b)The ChCh earthquake either didn't happen or has no impact on our economy and economic policy?
c)The worldwide recession either didn't happen or has no impact on our economy and economic policy?
d)Labour didn't instigate unaffordable long term schemes to buy votes that we still have to service?

if so, Are you in some sort of alternative universe?.....when you look up, what colour is the sky?

**Brian d marge** · 9th June 2012, 11:19

Folk , its not national or labour , its America , through the imf and world bank , "suggesting " we follow an economic model ... as in an " offer you cant refuse .....

Focus on the goal , not the sidelines

Stephen

**mashman** · 9th June 2012, 11:22

Originally Posted by flyingcrocodile46

I imagine that you know fuck all about the Japanese economy as you sure as shit don't have a clue about ours.

For the record I don't think the tax saving amounted to fuck all in my case. It didn't even register, so No, I neither needed nor wanted the 10 cents an hour or whatever the fuck it was. It was a total waste of time and money imo.

BTW Interesting to see that you don't have a problem with the concept of dishonoring promises. Say's a lot about your character .

I can't be arsed debating with left wing soft cock bleeding heart fuckwits that refuse to acknowledge simple facts and who would rather attempt to deflect from them by piling more shit on the cart (I guess that'll happen when it's all you have to offer though eh)

ooo goody I am dismissed.

It made a difference to the economy though. Doh, sorry, I know nothing

that's fuckin GOLD! Where keeping a promise does more harm than good you're damn right I'll change my mind. And you're right, that does highlight my character. Much better than being a fuckin idiot and allowing the majority to suffer because of a promise. That says a lot about your character.

Bwaaaaa aha ha ha ha haaaaaaaa... I'm not left wing, I'm not a soft cock, I'm not a bleeding heart, I am a fuckwit, and if you had read the post that you have quoted, you'll see that I not only acknowledged it, I also added crown bailouts to the financial pain... but of course you're too much of a blinkered right wing fucktard to have considered any of that... instead you deflect from the debate by rolling out the old left soft cock commy tree hugging bollocks which only underpins the strength of your character. I guess that'll happen when it's all you have to offer though eh.

**mashman** · 9th June 2012, 11:31

Originally Posted by Headbanger

Just to clarify,

it seems you are stating

a) Governments should not honour promises?
b)The ChCh earthquake either didn't happen or has no impact on our economy and economic policy?
c)The worldwide recession either didn't happen or has no impact on our economy and economic policy?
d)Labour didn't instigate unaffordable long term schemes to buy votes that we still have to service?

if so, Are you in some sort of alternative universe?.....when you look up, what colour is the sky?

a) Not when that promise fucks the country over even further.
b) I never said anything of the sort.
c) I never sad anything of the sort.
d) I give a shit not what previous govts did. They come and go and they change their policies removing useful schemes that cost a lot or implementing shit schemes that don't have enough funding. It's absolutely hillhairyarse that people see these things in the context of left and right. The govt are the govt and I care not the colour of the flag, but I do care in regards to what they do. If I disagree with it, then I'll disagree with it and in the case of asset sales it would seem an awful lot of the country are swallowing the shit where putting the taxation system back to where it was may actually allow us to save some of those revenues. You gotta ask why the govt don't understand that. The fact that you dickwads defend it as not wanting to break a promise is outfuckinstanding given that we're talking about politicians.

It's called reality, the big pictureverse. The transparent sky changes colour as we orbit the sun and rotate

**puddytat** · 9th June 2012, 11:43

Maybe we'dve been better off if it had been the French who'd colonised us.....we'd be a Republic & we'd stand up to the Government of the day alot more proudly , openly & definitely loudly. Not so anally retentive as our victorian ancestors who colon-ised this place & left us
so freakin divided over just about everything except no nukes.
I bet you the Krauts & Frogs arnt selling state assets at the mo.

**blue rider** · 9th June 2012, 12:14

Originally Posted by flyingcrocodile46

Jesus. The tax break at an inopportune time was all about honoring an election promise. Seriously did you forget already. How much would people like you have moaned if they hadn't?

I am still waiting for my tax cut....! but some nice reading here http://thestandard.org.nz/john-keys-top-ten/

Ever heard of Christchurch? How many times did labour have to dip in to the coffers to cover destroyed cities between 93 and 2008?...

no cities destroyed by earthquakes true that , but a nice read here http://www.niwa.co.nz/climate/summaries/annual, it was rather wet and flooding were the norm, droughts also....but true not a city destroyed by an earthquake

You know, when times are good we are supposed to set money aside for bad times. Labour governed during the good years and what did they do with the surpluses? Did they build us a nice little rainy day fund so we wouldn't suffer when the worlds economy turned to crap? no banks got bailed out under National? No insurance companies got bailed out under National? No investment companies lost their gambling bet and the savings of hundreds of New Zealanders? Don't be so fucking stupid I hear you say, they fucking pissed it away by massively increasing expenditure on unsustainable PC shit and giving bigger handouts to their voter base. Which is a very large part of the problem we are now facing and why National are trying desperately to manage the books and are having to claw back expenditure where ever they can. Now that is retarded.

Originally Posted by Headbanger

Just to clarify,

it seems you are stating

a) Governments should not honour promises? "John Key's changing his mind http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SWwHX0J5bk
National wants to cut taxes and not raise them......other then raise GST.....which is payable only by the end consumer, all others are GST registered and it is a run through post.....

b)The ChCh earthquake either didn't happen or has no impact on our economy and economic policy?

stupid vapid comment, offensive really

c)The worldwide recession either didn't happen or has no impact on our economy and economic policy?

the world wide recessions is due to major banks having gambled with monopoly money and lost. And they now expect the people of this planet to bail them out ......since when are we so generous with welfare bludgers that gamble?

d)Labour didn't instigate unaffordable long term schemes to buy votes that we still have to service?

and national does nothing of the sort. Education anyone....oh yeah all your children go to private school .....Yeah sure Tui

if so, Are you in some sort of alternative universe?.....when you look up, what colour is the sky?

blue, overcast with a tendency to rain...

Originally Posted by Brian d'marge

Folk , its not national or labour , its America , through the imf and world bank , "suggesting " we follow an economic model ... as in an " offer you cant refuse .....

Focus on the goal , not the sidelines

Stephen

what brian d' said.

selling your water rights, your land, by default is stupid. So you are going to be tenants in your own country, and what are you leaving behind for your children? ......Oh yea, not your problem, you be dead by then and old and thanks to the dear Leader you all have yours and the rest can be just compete with Grandpa for a MacDo Job.

it is going to be an awesome future, in which only a few can read and write, the rest will sign with a thump print, water will cost you a weekly allowance...and for dinner you get soylent green. Awesome

**98tls** · 9th June 2012, 12:32

According to some Maori we are tenants,rents fucking high if you ask me.

**flyingcrocodile46** · 9th June 2012, 12:34

Originally Posted by blue rider

blue, overcast with a tendency to rain...

what brian d' said.

selling your water rights, your land, by default is stupid. So you are going to be tenants in your own country, and what are you leaving behind for your children? ......Oh yea, not your problem, you be dead by then and old and thanks to the dear Leader you all have yours and the rest can be just compete with Grandpa for a MacDo Job.

it is going to be an awesome future, in which only a few can read and write, the rest will sign with a thump print, water will cost you a weekly allowance...and for dinner you get soylent green. Awesome

Yes, he is right. It isn't about the parties, it's the decisions they choose to make in allowing the international financial system (world wank, IMF etc) to set the rules. Both are as bad as each other in respect to facilitating our individual and collective stupidity. Interesting that in America a similar awareness is kicking in http://www.newcriterion.com/articles...evolution-7395

Yes, it is wrong to waste energy bitching over which party was/is the most stupid when the difference is so negligible in the bigger picture. We need a new financial model (based neither on population growth, and or usury reward) built from the last by way of concurrent and rapid dismantling of the old and wealth redistribution/writing off of debts.

We also need a shitload more things, but a good place to start.

Sorry Mashman