Maori "Get Off Their Arse"

[unstuck]

If someone has a desire to be on the council, they should stand and be elected. Fuck the racist bullshit.

[bogan]

You can mate, by all means get right in to it. Nothing wrong with that.

But the rest of us shouldn't have it forced on us, nor should we have to pay for it.

I'd go one step further, and say they are at least partially exclusive. Its harder to celebrate a culture when you are forced to fund it.

The whole MMP system is set up so minorities can have representation is it not? So why do we need special seats for minority representation as well?

[JimO]

I think we still owe the Maori a huge amount, the way the were treated in the not so distant past was terrible.
We owe them support and need to help them integrate themselves into a system that we forced on them, but has the time come when they need to take the responsibility onto themselves and stand on their own feet? debatable.

How long do they need??? another 200 years?? what maori have had forced on them is no different to what they forced on the tribe in the next valley back in the dark ages

[300weatherby]

Define "culture"

A little over 6 generations ago, moari were genicidal slave trading cannabals who routinely practiced infanticide. We bought them education and christian teaching. Evolution moves slowly for some. A man should only have what he makes for himself, in life or business- He should not hide behind the sham excuse of "greivance" and "entitlement". In a genuine democracy no one should have power or influence in local council or central government based on colour or ethnic backround.

If any people have any right to genuine greivance, look to the Scots and the Irish and what the English inflicted on them, over centuries. Do the research and you will be astonished..... The moari were absolutley lucky at the hands of the English when they began creating New Zealand. moari in this country are over represented in ever facet of society, including, notably, in our prisons, it is time social and political correctness stopped, but that genie will prove difficult to put back in the bottle.

Just wait untill the ever increasing asian population manage to use the stupd MMP system to gain political control of NZ, in Auckland they already outnumber the moari and Pacific Island population combined......Then they can complain as all the gravy train rights dissapear. Remember Tienamin Square.

One rule for all regardless of race, gender, or religious belief.Look up the word "equality" in the dictionary.

[mashman]

Trouble is, the system only gives out fish. Lots of it, and far too many (not all) are only too happy to sit there and take the fish. Not a long term solution. The system should be giving out fishing rods and pointing them in the direction to go stand on the shore along side everyone else.

aaaaaaand once the fishing rods have been handed out, who decides where you get to fish? or should I say what give you quality fishing? To start with how much bait can a person afford and how much of that bait is nibbled away by bottom feeders not taking the whole bait? You'll also have to pay for your licence so that you can get a good spot and as we know good spots ain't cheap. Some people get given a tuna to kick off their fishing career and some get a minnow. So you've got a group of people with a tuna, hogging the best fishing spots and most people with a minnow and nothing but crabs nibbling at their bait. A few people have mentioned equality, how does that stack up? Have a look inside their catch buckets and what do you see? It all sounds a bit fishy to me irrespective of how you fillet. What about the white lazy arses?

[Nova.]

I stand watch my country, going down the drain We are all at fault, we are all to blame We're letting them takeover, we just let 'em come Once we had an Empire, and now we've got a slum

White Power! For NZ White Power! Today White Power! for NZ Before it gets too late

[sugilite:Me]

White power all the way for good spulling and dick-tion! Give that other lot the learn eh!

[Nova.]

White power all the way for good spulling and dick-tion! Give that other lot the learn eh!

[sugilite:Me]

Churrr bro, you put it so much better than me, and with actions, sure your not part Maori?

[wtf?]

Mashman, it was a very simple analogy. Nothing more, nothing less. Not sure how you managed to read all those questions in to it?

300weatherby makes the most eloquent intelligent post here. Well done.

[unstuck]

300weatherby makes the most eloquent intelligent post here. Well done.

Agreed.

[mashman]

Mashman, it was a very simple analogy. Nothing more, nothing less. Not sure how you managed to read all those questions in to it?

Is it really that simple? I merely expanded upon your analogy in a real world manner I thought. You still need to get the bait, you still need a good fishing spot and if everyone is a fisherman, how will you stop the bloodshed if not by regulating the fishing? Having a rod is not enough... did you add a hook, like and sinker? Or is that what your analogy was demonstrating

[Headbanger]

300weatherby makes the most eloquent intelligent post here. Well done.

I'm planning on posting it on other forums and claiming it as my own.

In fact I might re-post it in this very thread sometime next week and see if I can pass it off as my own.

I'll just drop in a couple "fuck offs" and a reference to steak and cheese pies.....

[mashman]

Define "culture"

A little over 6 generations ago, moari were genicidal slave trading cannabals who routinely practiced infanticide. We bought them education and christian teaching. Evolution moves slowly for some. A man should only have what he makes for himself, in life or business- He should not hide behind the sham excuse of "greivance" and "entitlement". In a genuine democracy no one should have power or influence in local council or central government based on colour or ethnic backround.

One rule for all regardless of race, gender, or religious belief.Look up the word "equality" in the dictionary.

Does what a man makes for himself take into account what others have done for him in order to allow that man to make what he has for himself? I don't believe that that is the case amongst anyone, let alone Maori. Sorry for muddying the waters with real world application of how your utopia works. I suppose the loss of your governance and way of life is a fair trade for the values of a superior culture. On that basis if the Chinese invade, because these days economy and price are the measures of a civilisations superiority, and as they have a better economy and cheaper technology than we do you'll be happy to go along with it?

[duckonin]

I will make myself more clear.
By "we" i mean everyone in this country who lives on or enjoys the land forcibly removed from another.
By "them" i dont mean anyone with dark skin i mean Maori heritage, culture, iwi's, marae's. I dont believe anyone claiming to be 1/16th Maori should be anymore entitled to a hand out than anyone else, but we should be doing all we can to celebrate and encourage Maori culture.

the only thing about Maori culture is collecting the benefit. Not one thing have they 'achieved' "fot, sorry, whot was dat u say". Most of mixed blood would rather not go down the way of the racists. These persons would rather work and fit in with society. The reason is that the 'blood sucker' who sucks only does it for himself not for others. iwis just another name for con-artists. Marae's ,just another corrupt place to discuss who you stole your last TV from. So why would you want to encourage this so call bull shit culture that is getting worse as more and more half Black white boys shunt their dicks into Dumb white girls to create more problems for future generations?